Did I miss something here? The Pats committed a false start with 23 seconds to go and no timeouts. Why was there no 10 second run off following this penalty? If they missed it so did everybody else. If they should have run it off the Pats would have lost the game in regulation (before my TiVo ran out too)
Well, then either your memory is wrong or the ref screwed up then. There is no run-off if the clock had already been stopped.
It may have been a college game, I don't remember but I do remember seeing somebody do it following a timeout and they ran 10 seconds off the clock.
in the NFL, the runoff only applies if the clock is actually running. The idea is to prevent a team from taking an intentional penalty to stop the clock. There's no risk of that with the clock stopped, hence no penalty.
i thought that when the offense makes a penalty, any penalty with less then 2 minutes remaining, the refs deduct 10 seconds off the clock. i wish i could check in a rule book, i was screaming when i saw no deduction.
that would be the stupidest rule in the history of the NFL. and the previous posters were right that this is the correct rule.
Just for you, I checked in the official rule book. http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/timingfinal Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock.
If the refs made an error on that, then we should've won the game in regulation. But even if the Refs did blow that call. I keep seeing the replays on SportsCenter on ESPN. Did Cassel throw the ball past the line of scrimiage where Moss caught the game tying TD? I know they took off the line, but where was the ball snapped before Cassel threw it?
No, it wouldn't. 2nd and goal from 15. No timeouts. 25 seconds left. You take a run up the middle.tick, tick, tick, you spike the ball. 4th down 10 yard line. 9 seconds left. you line up, and realise they've got 8 men coming upfield, and you have 5 blocking. So, the center can just false start, take the five yard penalty, and fix the play?
I understand where you are coming from, I actually wondered the same thing at the time it happened. Then I realized the clock was stopped and that explained it. The only reason this rule exists is to prevent a team from stopping the clock by faking an injury or penalty. That worry is obviously moot if the clock is already stopped. If the rule was like you expected to be, it would be a stupid rule (kinda like that one that Leon took advantage of in the Bills game to get us the ball at the 40 is, to be perfectly impartial. I hope they change that rule next year, it's dumb).
Look, you can still do it when the clock is running or when you wnat to fake an injury too (what the rule was designed to deal with, as I just wrote in my previous post). Maybe that's still smart, maybe you waste more than 10 seconds if you don't do it. the rule is just meant to make it a less attractive to game things in the obvious and typical cases where it would be advantageous, not to go all wrath-of-officiating-gods on any team that ever commits a penalty in the final two minutes in order to try to shut down ever little last obscure case where you could get some benefit from it.
In the NFL there is no 10 second runoff on an offensive penalty if the clock has already been stopped. There's nothing more to say.
Very well said. :beer: One thing I really appreciate about rules in the NFL (unlike MLB, for instance) is that all of the rules are all common sense. More particulary, the justification for all of the rules are obvious and fit firmly within the constructs of logic.
Yes. If they want to take the penalty they shouldd be able to. What reason is there to take that away from them? There needs to be a good reason for the rules to all of a sudden change when there's less than 2 minutes left ( ie. booth reviews and the 10 second run-off to prevent a loop-hole in STOPPING the clock)
