Are Jets players scared to tell Sutton def. scheme sucks??

It isnt the scheme per se- it's not making adjustments to counter what the other team is doing. It also reflects failed preparation to not anticipate how you are going to respond if the other team starts passing more than you thought they would.

This is an obvious weakness in the CS.

 

Everything sucks. Throw it all away and start over. Thats what good teams do.

Cut your losses with these jerkoffs.

This shit is so fuckin old...it's the same shit every single time...

I wish there was such thing as a rational fan base in sports now...but you're either BES EVERZ!!!!1121 or on your way out nowadays....it's so fuckin stupid...I'm happy as hell Woody manned up and stopped listening to fans. Thats step 1 in being a good team.

 

memo to sutton --you need a pash rush...and for the 100th time... if you play the 3-4, your rushers are supposed to be the OLB--Bryan Thomas couldn't run down my 80 year old mother.

 

Yep. I agree, and want to add that to my post- that another weakness of the CS going back to last season was not putting their talent to maximum use- not tweaking their schemes to adapt to the players they have.

 

in a private e-mail exchange with some sports reporters in the new york press, a few of them told me they suspect, as i do, that the real defensive coordinator of the jets is mangini. sutton just serves as a conduit. mangini has those two-way headphones on all game long. unlike belichek, you never see him leave the game spot on the sidelines to huddle at the bench with the defense making in-game , on-the-field adjustments.

 

what makes me mad about the def. scheme blame is that because our pass D is ranked 31st it must mean that all our CB's and DB's suck. it kills me when the media thinks our CB's suck and revis is our best D player and top 3 CB in the nfl.

 

No the media knows Revis is legit. Just like they know that Nnamdi in Oakland is the best in the game despite how bad that team and defense is.

 

true, the media knows Revis is not only legit, but top mother fucking flight.

Sadly and im starting to agree, for whatever reason Rhodes is playing like an average at best safety, not the nearly elite guy of the past two seasons.

 

so this means the Jets have been completely figured out, and that stopping someone on defense is not going to happen unless the defensive philosophy changes.

Then change it. It can't be that hard - send 5 or 6 people at a QB and scare him, because right now he is not scared of this defense.

 

it scares me that the jets prepare for what the other teams do and THEY CHANGE THEIR GAMEPLAN, therefore we were completely unprepared. i believe he said almost like they planned off the previous game we played! so we go in with a plan and if it isnt exactly right we should just stop at the end of the first quarter...

this is my issue with this coaching staff, they cannot and DO NOT EVER change their plan or mind, they have a plan they feel it is strong and no fuckin matter what happens they seem to stick to it.

this is something i have noticed but it pains me to hear a player saying it.

 

I had never heard of Bob Sutton before Mangini promoted him to DC. Then again, I'd never heard of Josh fratboy McDaniels or Dean Pees either until Belichik promoted them.

So now which explanation is closest to the truth:

1) Belicheater is so involved in the offense / defensive game-planning week in and week out that it doesn't ultimately matter who the coordinators are? See: Crennel and Weis failing when asked to run their own shows.
2) Belicheat knows how to pick good coaches. In other words, Pees and McDaniels >>> Schotty and Sutton.
3) The coordinators are somewhere in the middle (mediocre overall, bad in some areas, good in others, inconsistent) and the fans' collective ire is misdirected: ultimately the blame falls on Mangenius.

 

You do realize that the comments from the OP are from Kerry Rhodes, right? This is a guy that watches a lot of film outside of mandatory team meetings and at least seems like he knows WTF is up.

It sounds to me like Rhodes is frustrated. He knows teams are going after the Jets secondary and he doesn't have the answers. It also sounds like the CS isn't helping him find any answers.

 

This team is so outcoached

 

I'm curious, does Mangini ever chew gum outside of a game? Maybe the gum chewing is so people can't tell if he's talking into his headset or not. Or maybe its just hard for him to go that long without eating and the gum helps.

 

A few weeks ago you tried to pretend nothing was wrong with this defense or team, and cited record and defensive rank or points scored. Now after two losses, even the most ignorant and delusional homer can't use those things to justify their argument. So now you've decided to skip right to the personal attacks and extremist arguments.

The personnel changes, the words change, but the argument never does. It is always the same, the Jets are perfect and any criticism means you aren't a fan and are crazy. Back when we had CP, first he had an NFL arm, and when that didn't work, everyone just claimed he was just so much smarter than everybody else and he was still the best QB in football. Because weak arm=superior intellect. And superior intellect+weak arm=top QB. Obviously, it's mathematical!!!

This CS dropped the ball these past few weeks so obviously that the concerns voiced by those of us with actual observational ability and football knowledge became so obvious and reached such critical mass that it became obvious to even you people. Obviously.

But instead of admitting you don't know shit about football and you were wrong, you instead immediately start attacking everyone like a little child. Men admit when they're wrong, children just blame everyone else. Men learn from mistakes, while children just repeat them.

I thought you matured and grew up. You chilled out the past few weeks. But now you're right back to this same drivel as before. You don't understand football. You don't understand business. You don't understand cause and affect. You don't understand anything at all. You have no idea how to construct a logical argument and follow through with it. You are only capable of insulting others and whining. Like a child. Obviously.

 

"Are Jets players scared to tell Sutton def. scheme sucks??"

Yes, like many men his age Bob Sutton has Correctile Dysfunction.

 

I disagree. I think that its the job of Mangina to blow up Bob Sutton and tell him that he sucks at life and is an awful DC. Then as any HC worth their salt, he would take over and make the changes necessary

 

"Teams are coming out and abandoning their gameplans. They're not doing what they usually do. They're doing, I guess, what they see from a prior team or something and they try to exploit it in a different way. We're going into the game more in a reaction mode anyway. Teams are figuring out what they want to do against us from the previous game.

So, that means the Jets don't know how to adjust, we see this the past 2 weeks.