I'll be happier when the fans stop listening to all the propoganda coming from Jets HQ and Woody... Oops, I forgot, Woody never says anything anyway.. :up:
If you watch, Mangini chews tobacco. Sometimes he forgets it and has it in after halftime. I think he chews on the gum because of this.
Exactly. That quote indicates an enormous issue with our coaching. This, 'we'll play Jet football, and when it works it's great, and when it doesn't it's due to poor execution' approach is such bullshit. That quote is telling of the last three years, and really speaks to an enormous void in coaching.
Thomas has speed but no technique. How many times do you see him bust a speed rush with a quick swim move blasting the QB from behind? Hardly ever. Remember how Abraham used to roll? That's what Thomas could do if he actually learned technique.
BTW...does anyone notice what kind of padding we allow off the LOS in pass coverage? It always seems to be pretty loose. Do we ever jam at the LOS?
Uh huh. Or 2 losses could be 2 losses and the fucking sky isn't falling. You guys said the saaaame shit to me at the beginning of the season. It's the same cycle over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. TF d'you guys think? That we'd actually run the table? REALLY? If I was as ignorant and homeristic as some try to paint me to be here, I'd be slobbing the Jets knob after every victory. Even after the Pats and Titans victory all I had to say was "this is how good this team can be." Just because I don't treat every single game as some kind of barometer for where my Jet emotions should be doesn't mean I don't know as much as the wiser here. Thats some pretty ignorant shit to think otherwise. Whaddo you want me to do? Join in the crying and mob bullshit that comes after a loss? Why? What does that do? What fun is there in bitching for a week just because they lost a game? All I see is a talented team that's played 2 bad games after playing two great games against top teams. Iunno why people insist to me that I have to see some fuckin fire. It's fucking....football...like WTF...the rationality that goes with this stuff is unbelievable...and it's like your crazy if you don't join in. And what personal attacks? I just think it's trippy as balls that I'm supposed to buy into some "everything sucks and needs to be changed," mentality just because we lost a couple of games and our team has a weakness. OK we have trouble in pass protection, especially since Harris left. That took a top starting quality player off of the depth chart in a defense that relies on well rounded linebackers as part of it's pass rush and all around game. It doesn't explain everything, but it probably played a factor. He's back, the team just dropped two fucking games, and while the coaches are n00bs they're not idiots.
...It's not the point that they lost a game (or 2 in a row) it is the way they did it defensively.. how many young QB's are we going to play a "soft zone" against and they rack up major yardage & time possession against us??? ..I started this thread because there is very little information being given on WHY we continue to use this SCHEME....Rhodes gave us some insight in his interview early in the week....
I'm curious... How often do you tell off your boss? My guess would be: Not very oten. So why would you expect these guys, who get paid a lot of money to know their roles and shut their mouths, to flip the bird to their boss? And why is this all Sutton's fault, according to so many posters on this board... Don't you think Mangini might have a hand in the defense? If so, it's also his fault and if not, there's something seriosuly wrong with this team.
Sounds believable... BTW, if you really want the defensive players to tell off their coaches, won't they be acting like T.O.? Do you like what's happening in Dallas right now? Isn't a player who disagrees with the coaches considered to be "uncoachable," and aren't they usually out of the NFL in a very short time? Yeah, maybe the Jets cornerbacks should sign a petition and go to Woody Johnson... I mean, do you really have to ask why the Jets players don't tell their bosses that they are doing a terrible job?
I also don't make millions of dollars..but telling off the boss is an extreme, ...are the players just saluting the coaches and marching into battle to get slaughtered or are they giving feedback to Mangini or Sutton??
Exactly, similar athletes, different style and it is not working as well for Thomas. Remember he is a converted DE.
They have to play a soft zone more often because teams know they can pass on us when we are spread out. Harris is a very good pass rusher for an ILB, and that really forces a significant change in plans: - Bowens is a good pass rusher in short bursts. When starting he's exposed as a guy who is decent in run support and sucks in coverage. - Barton is decent in coverage, nothing as a pass rusher, and very good at stuffing the run. - Harris is very good when blitzing, great in run support, and decent in coverage. - Thomas is good when he's playing closer to the LOS, and has to play in space more often and for longer periods. - Some are asking, then why was he good in '06? Because in '06 Vilma was still a productive LBer, even if he was on nowhere near the player he was in the 4-3. He could still cover extremely well, and was good at cleaning up if they broke through to our um...iunno 1.5-ary. Hobson was decent at covering and good in run support. He also put up his best performance as a blitzer. He's a bitch because he needs everyone to be good so he can look good. - Pace is an above average all around LBer. He can improve too, but I expect both he and Thomas will with Harris back. He's basically Thomas with a motor really. Thomas is a player who should be way better than he is, but he lacks the fire. I hope Gholston doesn't do that shit to himself. - It was hard for everyone to play their role in this D with Harris gone. If you want to see a similar D to the Jets, check out the Cardinals. You'll see that our players similar roles to their players: Ellis - Dockett Jenkins - Watson Coleman - Smith Thomas - Okefar Harris - Dansby Barton - Hayes Pace - Berry Bowens - Laboy Their secondary is way more talented. That is a team I wouldn't sleep on unless their D coordinator really sucks. It feels like I just wrote something way too long high.
...interesting ..check out our opponents passing % and yardage..... C/A % Yds TD week 1 MIA Chad Pennington 26 43 60.5 251 2 week 2 NE Matt Cassel 16 23 69.6 165 0 week 3 SD Phillip Rivers 19 25 76.0 250 3 week 4 Arz Kurt Warner 40 57 70.2 472 2 week 5 Cin Ryan Fitzpatrick 20 33 60.6 152 0 week 7 Oak JaMarcus Russell 17 30 56.7 203 1 week 8 KC Tyler Thigpen 25 36 69.4 280 2 week 9 Buf Trent Edwards 24 35 68.6 289 1 week 10 StL Marc Bulger 6 13 46.2 65 0 week 10 StL Trent Green 5 10 50.0 70 0 week 11 NE Matt Cassel 30 51 58.8 400 3 week 12 Ten Kerry Collins 21 39 53.8 243 1 week 13 Den Jay Cutler 27 43 62.8 357 2 week 14 SF Shaun Hill 28 39 71.8 285 2
Tangini's reputation as consensus-builders would leave me to believe that the players have input and go along with the coaches' plans. So I doubt that they're "afraid" to point out how the schemes suck... I don't think Jets players are "afraid" to speak up in meetings or ask questions. From what Mangini said in his last press conference, too many defensive players are NOT following the coach's schemes and are going out on the field and freelancing. So it could be that the coaches are not to blame and the players are guilty of trying to win the games all by themselves. Anyhow, that's what The Mangini said.
the players shouldnt have to....the head coach should be telling sutton his schemes suck and to switch it up or else he's losing his play calling duties
The coaches don't suck. And saying that doesn't mean the players suck. There is no need to designate things to what sucks and whats great. Maybe the players need to step up and the coaches need to step up.
you can throw out all the numbers you want, but IMO next to Dslob Thomas is the most overpaid underachieving jet of all time. His first 4 years he does squat and his contract is FINALLY about up. Then, based upon the first half of his 5th year against weak compeitition, the jets decide to pony up ANOTHER $25 million to this "playmaker"--What has he done to justify playing week in and out when he never gets to the QB--THAT is what a 3-4 OLB is paid to do! Cut down Gholston all you want, people, Thomas has shown he stinks for 7 years, Gholston hasn't had a real chance yet. Keep playing Bryan Thomas=keep missing the playoffs.
