The more i think about Shanahan

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  1. JoeWillie130

    JoeWillie130 Well-Known Member

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    I still think Mangini will be a good HC as well. The thing I'm not sure about is if he needed to be fired in order to really look at his mistakes and correct them or if given a few more years here he would have corrected them anyway.
     
  2. Br4d

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    Shanahan would only be a good pickup as Jet's coach if a very strong GM was put in place to handle running the team. Shanahan wrote his own ticket in Denver after the Super Bowl wins and the ticket wasn't a big winner. He needs help, and a lot of it, in terms of building a team to win it all. That said, he's a pretty good coach and we could do much worse than him if we had a strong GM in place. Shanahan would walk all over Tannenbaum and their pairing would be a disaster.
     
  3. JCotchrocket

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    I, too, don't care for Shanahan's "gamesmanship." The Broncos players were definitely coached to lie down on the field to slow down Favre's hurry-up offense. That is poor sportsmanship, plain and simple.

    Also, from a personal standpoint, offense is just not my bag. I would much rather have a dominant defense and a poor offense than vice versa. That's why my vote for head coach is still Spags.

    If there is one "Manginism" that I still stand behind completely, it's the "Mangini player." Effort, work ethic and character are as important as talent and production. It hasn't led to wins, granted, but it could be worse. I would hate to live in Cincinnati or Detroit, but I would hate even more to be a Cowboys fan- a consistent contender with a roster full of douche bags. I don't think Shanahan values the same type of player as Mangini.

    I will say this about Mike Shanahan though- he's a gameday coach, probably one of the top 3 clock managers in the game. You could look at the hurry-up field goal unit we saw win a game with 10 ticks left last season (forget against whom) or the two-point conversion call against San Diego this season or the invention of the "last second ice". The dude coaches to win, not to not lose. Gotta respect that.
     
  4. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I would rather Shanahan than Spagwhatever. At least we know he can be a head coach. What does the other guy bring other than the ability to run a great 4-3 defense which we don't have the players to do? That's all he has ever proven and we have been down that road before...a lot.
     
  5. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    What does Shanahan bring aside from the ability to run a good zone blocking scheme and a 4-3 defense, neither of which we have the players to do. Not to mention his less than stellar record w/o John Elway chucking it down the field.
     
  6. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

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    He brings 2 SuperBowl rings. Nuff said.
     
  7. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Which he got with John Elway, and the proceeded to be nowhere near as effective after Elway retired. We're not the right fit for Shanahan.
     
  8. TommyGreen

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    He still got to the playoffs without Elway. You can say the same about Bill Belichik, as he never won without Brady.
     
  9. e-x

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    Shanahan is an elite coach but he makes too many bad decisions, jets fans and the jet media would tear him apart.
     
  10. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

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    If you want to give credit to the person really responsible for thier Superbowls, Call Terell Davis.
     
  11. sect105

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    There are two teams I know Shanahan can beat..

    The Patriots and The Raiders, two teams we don't exactly own.
     
  12. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Ok how about the personnel issues. We're a better fit for Marty than for Shanahan. We have Marty's defense and we have Marty's running game. It would be a perfect environment to let a young QB like Ratliff develop. The only things that we have going for Shanahan are Brick and Leon Washington, they're the only players that would fit Shanahan's zone-blocking scheme...not to mention the fact that we'd have to dismantle our entire defense to switch to his preferred 4-3 and how long has it been since his defense had been able to generate a pass rush? If we're going to pick a 4-3 coach, it might as well be Spagnuolo. He's a better defensive mind and he would most likely keep our power running game since that's what he knew with the Giants.
     
  13. TommyGreen

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    With Marty we're going to be making the same complaints that we made with Herm. The conservative playcalling and playing not to lose. We're going to want him gone by year 2.
     
  14. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    With Shanahan, all we're going to hear about is a lack of a pass-rush and cap trouble from having to dump Faneca and Woody's contracts.
     
  15. Section 227. Row 5

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    Could be, but his laid back demeanor and the collapse of the '08 season hasn't helped Woody push his PSLs. I'm beginning to buy into that theory now... that it's all about the money and funding the new stadium. It's all about perceptions and I think Woody's even got Tannenbaum on board with the program. Everything we do now is geared toward the selling of the cockamaie PSLs.

    I curse the day I ever heard about us "needing" a new stadium. Sharing Giants Stadium would have been fine. There wasn't a God-damned thing wrong with that stadium and there's nothing to gain in the new one, unless you consider 5-sar restaurants, diminished views and less tailgating an important part of your game-day experience.
     
  16. abyzmul

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    I don't know what to think anymore, I know he's a smart guy and has a plan, but I have no earthly idea what has gone on behind closed doors with this organization in the past year and a half that changed the way things were headed for the good and the bad. He probably will end up being a good HC for some team. In the right situation. But this team obviously ended up being a bad situation.
     
  17. brothermoose

    brothermoose Well-Known Member

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    This all really bothers me a whole lot. I know its a business and all, but it really is a multibillion dollar business. That's how you run a business, but it's no way to garner the loyalty of your fans. This team has no heart.
     
  18. Section 227. Row 5

    Section 227. Row 5 Active Member

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    Unfortunately, the new stadium has changed everything.

    But what's interesting is this: The Giants are pulling it off (the selling of their PSLs) because they've been winning, that's the only reason. If they'd been 4-12 and 9-7 the past two years, they'd be sucking wind too with the sales. The ONLY reason the Giants are doing better than the Jets in their sales is because they're contenders.

    So, the LOGICAL business decision for somebody like Woody is that we need to win! DUH! So, okay, I'm willing to concede that Woody recognizes that fact and fires Mangini to try to change the losing mentality, but without having a proven winner in the wings, where TF is he going again?

    It just blows my mind. Keep on spending Woody, maybe you can buy the wins. Then maybe you'll sell the rest of your PSLs.
     
  19. Trickstone

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    8-8 in the worst division in football..... great choice.
     
  20. Bizprof

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    It'll work as long as TD and Elway come out of retirement.
     

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