Agreed to a certain extent MB. Cardinals want a 1? Fuck them. But if Rod Graves calls Tannenbaum tommorow and it becomes apparent the price is only a 2 and the Jets don't do it? I'd be pissed. That being said imho, Boldin goes to the Eagles for Lito and a second rounder.
The Cardinals have him under contract for 2 seasons. Could he try to hold out? Sure. But with 2 seasons left? I doubt the Cardinals deal him for anything but the highest price, if they're willing to deal him at all. Furthermore, I tend to believe the rumors that he's headed back in to Arizona. The trade and contract demands seemed like emotional reactions to the conflict he had in the playoffs.
Ok. Let's talk some common sense here. Who is the single most important player on the defense? Without a doubt, Kris Jenkins, right? How much did HE cost? 3rd and 5th. Boldin is a stud of a receiver, but the magnitude doesn't come quite on par with Jenkins - 2nd is too much for a WR.
Even IF we had to give up a 1st? You have no idea what you are talking about... none. Boldin would not only cost a 1st, they would want another quality starter to boot, and no, not Coles. Thomas Jones, Rhodes, Mangold, Brick, Harris or Revis AND our 1st, you would get them to return the phone call. Then you still have to pay him. Their asking price is going to be ridiculous, the same way SD was ridiculous about M Turner 2 years ago. You have no clue what AZ wants for him, which I knew since you didn't even know if he was a free agent or not when you started this folly of a thread. I'll tell you what there is no excuse for, posts like this that have no basis in reality. I think you should call WFAN tomorrow.
Arizona is will no doubt get at worst a first rounder probably more, Boldin is that good and he is still young. I could certainly see a team like the Giants would happily give up a first and third for Boldin and laugh all the way to the SB. I don't think he makes sense for the Jets at this time even though I would love to have him. If they could get him for a 2nd round pick I would do it in a heartbeat but that is completely unrealistic, I would also give them Coles and a 2nd but that is even more unrealistic. Boldin is one of my favorite players in the league, I'm hoping the Jets find some way of drafting Nicks who I think has the best chance of becoming a Boldin type WR.
Nah i would pass. He's much like Cotchery and Coles. A stronger receiver with good hands and ability to make yards after catch via strength and lacks great speed. We need a Big speed guy who can stretch the field that will help us with the deep game aswell as open up Cotchery, Coles and Keller all over the field.
A little off topic, but I have a question. Why are Draft Picks worth so much? Bolden is a proven stud, what can ANY draft pick get that's better then that? People, IMO, put too much stock into Draft Picks. I'd trade away every pick I had if it return proven quality players. Just my opinion though.
That's basically what the Browns did last year (they didn't pick till the 4th round)...and how did that turn out for them. nice to have you on the board, Dan Snyder.
Boldin would be a great addition to our offense. With that said we have more pressing needs than Boldin. A Guard to Replace more is more important because our Qb can not throw if he is on his back. A Cb opposite Revis which is self explanatory. A Defensive End who can get to the Qb and a Saftey opposite Rhodes to free him up to make plays are also more important.
Yeah lets use them on players like VG, Santana Moss, DEW, JV, Nuge, just to name a few. I think ur logic is just slightly skewed
So are you going to tell me that Anquan Bolden isn't worth a 1st round pick? He isn't worth an unproven player? If you drafted Bolden with a 1st Round pick, wouldn't you consider that a great success? Do you see where this is leading? And I didn't say I'd trade my pick for under achievers, like Cleveland. If Baltimore told me they'd part with Ngata for a 2nd, deal. Arizona says they'll part with Bolden for a 1st, deal. You smokin' what I'm rollin?
Boldin would never sign with a team that doesn't have a QB..forget it. Neither would any other top receiver. Maybe Marvin Harrison who would be signing his last contract anyway.
my logic is skewed?....you're basically pigeon-holing the Jets' previous drafts as the "end all BE ALL" of drafting formulas. What about teams like the Patsies, Steelers, Chargers or Colts....teams that built through the draft and had success. Gholston could be a bust (the jury is still out on him)....but Revis, Mangold, Neon Leon, and Keller all look pretty damn good. I think you need to stick to playing bingo instead of wasting our time with your negative, uninformed bullshit, Champ. Skewed logic!!...hahahahaha...get a fuckin' clue.
Yes..i'm saying Boldin IS NOT worth a 1st round pick at this point in his career. Would i draft him with a 1st round pick? yes i would...when he's in his early 20's and doesnt' have the injury history he's had over the last few seasons. No, i'm not smokin' what you're rollin'....in fact, if you part with a first round pick that's in the top 20 picks for Boldin...i would expect the New York people to hang you from the Sony sign in Times Square.
Im going to have to disagree with you on this one Sir. I believe great teams are built via the draft and the problem with our team is they have blown to many picks over the years. We need to many players at this point to be able to sign players to get us ready for a title. If we signed Kerry Collins and Boldin tomorrow we still would not be as good as the teams in the Afc we have to beat.
I think U should look up the our draft history. Also the draft is aTOTAL crap shoot so when U can give up ur crap shoot change for an elite player normally you would do it. We do not have one WR in AB class not one & if KC or the rat is going to be our QB they need a deep option since they are not weak armed as Penny was
It seems to me like Rex's goal this offseason is trying to build us into the Ravens of last year- dominant defensively, but nothing special offensively. That might get us into the playoffs, like the Ravens did, but it won't be enough to beat a team like Pitt. Maybe next year, we'll address the offense more. Our only chance to beat a team like Pitt is if Ratliff or Clemens is a lot better than Flacco was. I knew Pitt would beat Balt because their D's matched but their O was just so much better. That's why you can't just 'ignore' the QB position if you want to win a Super Bowl. Having a dominant D, though, should be enough to make us competitive.
I agree with you on two points. You're right about the draft being a total crapshoot (but that's what having a good scouting staff will give your franchise...and I'm high on Joey Clinkscales).....and the other point is we don't have a #1 Wideout..... Now...i like Boldin...as i've mentioned earlier in this thread. BUT, the Jets have more pressing issues to attend to in regards to their roster....the secondary, the QB position, depth on the D-line, now a RG/RT since Moore could be on the street. I think giving up a 1st round draft pick for a Wideout (even of Boldin's caliber) is pretty dumb at this point. If the player Rex wants isn't at #17...hell, i hope they trade down and get more picks....this is a great draft to rebuild your defense with this season. You say the draft is a crapshoot...but that's how good teams become great, Champ...they find their talent in the draft and develop it accordingly. And yes, I know the Jets don't have a great history of doing that....but i believe in this new regime....I believe they'll get the job done. It's time to let go of the past....let the new coaches find their talent this season....let them build this team into a winner. With the moves Rexenbaum has made in the last couple of weeks....I believe the Jets are headed in the right direction. :wink:
We have our deep threat. His name is David Clowney. Who on this team at the WR position warrents an opposing team to double cover? Nobody. Add Boldin and that opens up the rest of the field for Cotch Keller & others.
I know he wants out of Arizona. Thats enough for us to pick up the phone.A player is not only available if he's a FA. Ever heard the word TRADE?