Armchair Psych with your guest Vernon Gholston

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  1. vilmatic

    vilmatic Active Member

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    So, we, at least I, worry about Vernon Gholston being any good ever. He has a unique attitutde which, I must admit, I liked before he ever played a down, but it seemed to put off a lot of people. But I contend that, given that very attitude and given the coaching change - and maybe even the particular coaching change - last year was the ebst hting that could ahve happened to Vernon.

    WIth Vernon, I was impressed from the beginning with his admissions of struggles, like when he said he was drowning, but he also seemed to be aware that success required work, like when he said I know I am struggling, but I struggled at first at Ohio State and ended up being pretty good. I know he was criticized by some for those exact things, but I thought it showed a groundedness that would serve him well when and if he became a BIG STAR.

    Then he stinks it up. Never really shows any promise, though that one play where he was playuing touch with the QB and hesitated himself out of his only sack, I thought he showed a nice bit of athleticism. But that play was very telling, I thought. To me it just looks like a player who is thinking thinking thinking. You know? It looks like he saying, ok, make sure he doesn't get away, where's the RB, what are my responsibilities here? Not a man who is like, see QB, eat QB.

    So is Vernon a bust? How can he be? When you have someone THAT physically gifted, my belief is that the burden is on the coach to put that player in the proper place. Ya, that's right, I said it. You MAKE it so those physical gifts that NO ONE else on the team has, shine. Why wouldn't you do that? You have a physical advantage. Hopefully, you build from that, but you sure as hell start there. And that right there is why Mangini faiuled with him and why Ryan will succeed.

    But that initial success is nothing. You have to be grounded to survive in the spotlight in NY. I actually have doubts about Kerry Rhodes' ability to stay away from the China White, but that's a different story. You have to know what got you to where you are and what it takes to keep you there. Vernon's self-analytical nature will serve him well here. His history of hard work - weightlifter since birth - show that he has the ability to maintain focus and dedication. And his struggles will be most important. They will remind him just how easy it is to be another forgotten (Jets) draft bust, or worse, remembered and ridiculed (Jets) draft bust, which will be necessary when he's sitting on that single seson record 25 sacks and them fawning lickspittles in the media are asking him, what's next for Mount Vernon?

    Goof morning and welcome to the Vapor Brothers.
     
  2. talisaynon

    talisaynon Well-Known Member

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    Gholston = Bobby Bouche. Believe.
     
  3. SameOldJets2008

    SameOldJets2008 New Member

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    what made you think he has SUCH an advantage on other nfl players, all i saw was a slow lost game was moving much too fast MOUNT VERNON
     
  4. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    You failed to mention he got 20 or 30 million dollars in guaranteed money. What's to say he could care less if he ever plays again? That's the way he looked and acted as he got fatter and slower as the year went on. It is also why there will never be another labor agreement without a rookie pay scale similar to what the NBA has.
     
  5. jets&rushfan

    jets&rushfan New Member

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    I actually have doubts about Kerry Rhodes' ability to stay away from the China White, but that's a different story

    ???

    Let the Ghost room with Scott, he needs an attitude adjustment, Scott learned from one of the best LB's to ever play the game with intensity and passion.
     
  6. penny10jet

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    interesting...im keeping the faith with gholston because hes too much of a physical beast and rex ryan gives me hope. all your bullshit about him being mentally tough and always questioning himself seems a little far fetched, but whatever...maybe youre right.
     
  7. Hemi

    Hemi Well-Known Member

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    Not much new being said here.

    Some blame coaches, some blame Gholston, in the end, he sucked ass last year. I don't need five paragraphs to figure that out.
     
  8. Coach K

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    since when has kerry rhodes been a cokehead
     
  9. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    seriously, please explain where this came from?
     
  10. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    haha the "White China" that Vilmatic mentioned in the last paragraph of his post.
     
  11. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I got that. I want Vilmatic to explain.
     
  12. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Believe it or not, Don - and I know it'll be hard to get this through your thick skull - but many professional athletes actually like or even love the game they play. They actually enjoy playing and strive to be better, regardless of their paycheck.
     
  13. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Oh oh, got'cha. Haha, yeah I'm wondering why he made that reference too.
     
  14. cassie96

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    Actually, I just heard a coach say the same thing that Don said, on Sporting News. The coach said that once some of these players start receiving a huge paycheck, they are a PIA, and they do not work as hard.

    Therefore, the coach said that he would take a bunch of young kids that are hungry & willing to work hard, any day.
     
  15. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Sure, some players do that. Some play hard their contract year, cash in, and then slack off. But to just go ahead and assume that Gholston or all players do that is ridiculous.

    These guys play the game they love. They have motivation to win and get better.
     
  16. cassie96

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    Thanks for the clarification. I think that the coach was referring more to the players that get burned out, lazy, and start making stupid mistakes. Their tank just runs out of gas, even though they are still making tremendous cash.
     
  17. J-Kay

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    Well, I have a friend who knows Kerry (lived near him) and apparently he found out from Kerry that Justin Miller does coke... Dunno about Kerry, but yeah...
     
  18. NY Sack Exchange7

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    I could care less if Kerry Robs banks for a hobby as long as he comes back to form and starts hitting HARD! :mad:
     
  19. talisaynon

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    Well if LT did it...
     
  20. Revis Flytrap

    Revis Flytrap New Member

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    I'm pretty convinced that VG was a steroid user at OSU or possibly another substance which one can get away with at college and not in the NFL. Hence, the difference in his performance.

    Does anyone have information about the drug tests that he passed at OSU? Also, what tests does the NFL conduct that the NCAA does not.

    By the way, I work at a college and I know the football players are doing drugs such as ecstasy, pot, and other shit but we never test as far as I know. And we are NCAA.
     

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