The Jets are always linked to every player every year. Same thing last year. If you haven't noticed the FO likes putting out smokescreens. Add to that the fact that the "experts" are as clueless as the Fans. If it isn't a high profile name or first round pick, they just write them off. So everytime a player or trade is discussed the Jets are included because THINK the Jets should be involved. Everytime ANY player is released someone starts a thread about how we should sign them immediately. The fact is Jets fans always want the big flashy player, they want the high priced first round pick to make the back page of the paper. I see it every year, it's always the same thing.
So now we're comparing Clemens and Ratliff to the likes of Brady, Warner, and Montana? Amazing. Clemens' 8 shitty starts aside, he has shown NOTHING in his 3 years with this organization yet people think he can magically step in and be the starter? He hasn't shown so much as a glimmer of potential in the 3 training camps he has participated in. In fact, it was documented that he actually regressed during last years camp. Chad had 2 rotator cuff surgeries and has an absolute rag for an arm, yet Clemens couldn't beat him out in a QB competition. Pretty disappointing for someone who is supposedly so good and has so much potential, huh? Don't even get me started on Ratliff. Here's a kid who came in as an UDFA and beat up 3rd string defenses in the pre-season yet Jets fans near and far are praising him as the savior of this organization. A fair evaluation of how good of a starting QB he is? Hardly. I know this horse has long been beaten to death, but I HAD to squeeze this in one last time before the Draft. Rest assured, we will have a new QB on the roster come tomorrow and for the first time this offseason, we will know without a doubt who will be our starter for 09'.
Enough with the "smokescreens." Where there is smoke there is fire. I think Tanny has better things to do than call around to NFL teams inquiring about QBs just to give the illusion that the Jets are desperate at QB...for the 2nd year in a row. Jets fans don't want flashy players, they want players that have produced (recently) at the NFL level or against quality college competition. What players have fans written off that then went on to play at a high level? Chad whose ceiling is well below a SB? Who else? Campbell and Cutler have produced at levels far above what the Jets have at QB. (Even Quinn has in limited time, not that I want him.) Sanchez is a guy who played at a high level for the best college program in the country. He has much more potential than Clemens who hasn't played a full season in 5 years or Ratliff, a guy who went undrafted out of Utah. You want to cite Brady, Warner, Delhomme, Romo and Montana. Great...cherry pick 3 HOFers and 2 very good QBs in the history of the league. Can it happen...yes. Is the probability high...no. The fact of the matter is that you hope you hit the lotto with a late round / undrafted guy or you can vastly increase your likelihood of success by bringing in / drafting guys with demonstrated ability.
What the hell are you talking about? Show where I compared anyone to Brady, Warner, or Montana. I was giving examples of other second day picks and undrafted QBs that turned out to be great. It's called reading comprehension. Once again where did I say Clemens was "supposedly so good and has so much potential." The fact is many QBs have struggled for their first few starts. The fact remains he started behind a shitty Oline. The truth of the matter is we have no idea what we have in Clemens. Now you might not like him, or think he will be able to do the job, but that is different from knowing for sure. Nonsensical statemet. Romo and Delhomme were UDFAs. Warner was shipped off to NFL Europe for a year. People were dismissing them as you are Ratliff. You're right we don't have enough info on him to know for sure if he can be our franchise QB. That is my point. We won't know until he gets a chance to start. To write him off just because he was a UDFA is stupid. That's nice, but it is still ridiculous argument. You are the type of fan I was talking about. Who is willing to write-off any player that isn't a first round pick or a flashy name. Who ignores the history of the position (hell any position) as long as the Jets get onto the back page. If all people had your attitude Warner, Brady, Delhomme, Romo, Montana, etc, etc, would never have had an opportunity to start in this league. THAT was the point of my post.
Let me ask you why was Murrell cut last year and Gholston kept? It's not like Ratliff and Clemens haven't been here for a couple of years. If you look at our team I think QB, TE and DE are the three positions holding us back. We aren't a bad football team and this is year 4 of our rebuild under Tannenbaum. This is the year it kind of makes sense to throw it all at solidifying the QB position. A Blocking TE can be gotten later. DE is thin but we probably can get by. WR as questionable as it is looks like it has at least as much potential as the QB spot and will likely have less of an impact.
The FO does it every year. EVERY team it does in order to get leverage in the draft. Tanny is just better at it. He calls about players all the time, like any good GM should. Do you read the papers? It is the same thing every year. Where there is smoke there is fire? Like when all these reports came out that the Jets were deep in the mix for Cutler, but it turned out that Tanny made one phone call? Come on. Most of this is just reporters speculating. Of course they do. Otherwise someone wouldn't be starting threads everytime a player is cut. So what? He hasn't played one down in the NFL yet. People were saying the same thing about Leaf. And who cares if Ratliff was undrafted, neither you nor I have any idea if he can produce until he is given the chance. The probability isn't high for any position in any round. Do you want to go over how many first round QB busts there have been? You have to hit the lotto with every player you draft, no one knows for sure if they will be able to translate their game into the NFL until they play. There is no "cherry picking" at all, it is called not buying into the hype and looking at the most successful players and seeing where they were drafted. The fact is you never know, and will never know until a player is given a chance to play. But I guess if a player isn't drafted in the first round he must be shit right?
Sweet. So you want to pass up unproven talent and pay more money for younger unproven talent. You're a genius! The NFL needs guys like you. You want to give up later draft picks to trade up for a guy who started 16 college games? I don't know about that. Mark Sanchez could be the next Tom Brady. He might also be the next VG. I'm tired of risking it. Let's rebuild this team with solid players we know can play ball.-
Yes, but Murrell was given a chance to play. Look I have no idea if either Ratliff and Clemens will be good. No one else does either until we see them on the field behind a solid Oline. We have spent all these years developing these guys, I just want to see exactly what we have before we cut-n-run. If they turn out to be shit, then we can draft a QB next year - which by the way is a much much better crop of rookie QBs.
If neither of these guys pans out and we draft a QB next year we are talking 3 to 4 years before we are really ready to compete. A lot of talent on this team will be replaced in 3 to 4 years. The Pats are going to kill us in tomorrows draft as far as BAP, depth and over all players they add. The one shot we have to leapfrog them is if Brady is close to done and we can develop a top QB in the next 2 to 3 years.
So, what are you advocating? Trading for veterans the Jets "know can play ball?" Because it would certainly be a risk to hang the season on Clemens (who has proven he can play poorly) or an undrafted Brett Ratliff. I really don't care when a guy is drafted. And I am all for trying to develop late round talent...just not at the QB position. If the guy shows he's got the goods and can play QB...great. But QB is too important of a position to just hope a QB "gets it" in his fourth year on the roster or a guy every team passed on multiple times is the real deal. I believe Ryan and Tanny know Clemens or Ratliff aren't the answer. (Just like Mangini and Tanny knew Chad or Clemens wasn't the answer last season.) This is why they are snooping around all QB prospects and guys available via trade.
True, but we also have no idea if Sanchez will pan out either. He could bust as well, first round QBs have been known to do that. Clemens, Ratliff, Sanchez, they are all unproven, pick your poison. I would just rather to see what we have in the players we have on the roster now. I like the chances of finding a franchise QB better in next years draft anyway.
Once again you earn your award by talking out of your ass. It's been widely documented since the Cutler mess that the Broncos wouldn't even return our calls because they didn't want to trade him in the AFC. It has nothing to do with Tannenbaum having no balls. How is he supposed to make a trade when the other team doesn't want to trade the player in the conference and won't return the calls???
You're right he wasn't cut he bounced back and forth between active and deactive much of last year when he clearly beat out Gholston for a roster spot in TC and preseason.
100% agree. A few months ago when the draft talk was just starting, many comments were made on how 2009 was a weak draft year for QBs. Its seems now that there's nothing else to talk about, and there are about a million people on ESPN, NFL Network, TGG, etc. giving their opinions on the draft, these 2 (3 if you count Freeman) QBs have been talked about so much and built up so much that everyone thinks Stafford and Sanchez are the next coming of Elway and Marino. In reality, 2010 should be a MUCH better draft year for QBs. There is little chance that Sanchez would come in, start this year, and be an above average QB. So why give up a bunch for a guy who is frankly not as proven on a college level as most 1st round QBs when you can wait until next year and likely get a much better chance at a proven, successful college QB for the long haul, provided Clemens or Ratliff don't work out. I'm fully aware that no one knows who's gonna be good and who isn't, but its about playing the odds. And the odds are that you draft a much better QB in 2010, not 2009.
It seems pretty clear that the Jets will come out of tomorrow with a new qb on their roster, whether it's Sanchez or Quinn, or Freeman
