Andrew Perloff: Sanchez will have rocky first year.

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  1. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    ha, i'm ready for it because most don't realize that if this isn't handled properly then it will all fail and Tanny and Ryan will lose their jobs.... And let us remember -- we love Tanny and Ryan. I know fans have no bearing on a team when it comes to personnel decisions, but starting this kid immediately is a little dangerous.
     
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    Agreed. As I said before, most of the junior QBs who fail in the NFL do so with the assistance of their coaching staffs and the fans. On the other hand, they also generally fail for reasons that are more mental than physical. I don't think we have that problem with Sanchez, but he also hasn't had NY kind of pressure on him before.
     
  3. nyjrkm06

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    Wasn't troy smith really hyped in this board? I even remember a thread on weather to trade for him
     
  4. GBA

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    Not really. There was a thread made on just about every quarterback. I think Smith can be a good QB though and I still like him better than Flacco.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I will have no problem w/ Clemens starting the season(I hope he pulls a Brees or Derek Anderson) but if Sanchez proves he's ready then I would like to see him start day 1.
     
  6. irreverent ad

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    He may well have a hard year, but good it maybe what he will need. But we have to start building around him. Because he will be our QB for the next decade not just the next 16 games.
     
  7. JCotchrocket

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    I don't know where I stand on the whole start the QB/sit the QB in year one.

    First of all, I am in favor of whichever decision will yield long-term success. I could care less if we miss the playoffs this season as long as whatever we did is beneficial to our quarterback's development.

    But how do you know which would be more beneficial, starting a QB or sitting him for a year?

    In cases like Ryan, Flacco, and Roethlisberger, starting the Qb in the first year was a great move; not only did those guys win games and gain experience, they gained playoff experience in their first year.

    But then in cases like Rivers and Palmer, clearly sitting for a year(s) was the right move. (Of course, right now, I'd still start Drew Brees over Rivers).

    Then again, look at a guy like Eli Manning. I would argue that sitting Eli was the wrong move. It seems clear to me now that Eli just needed a few years of on-the-field experience in order to play well.

    I think if the running game and the offensive line are in place and your young quarterback is a quick learner, then play him from the get-go. Guys like Alex Smith or David Carr or Matt Stafford should be sat because they can't be protected. Guys like Jamarcus Russell should be sat because they can't be protected and they're slow upstairs.

    But Sanchez? We can protect him and he demonstrated that he can learn our playbook quickly. I say play him. I think (emphasis on "think") that will be the most beneficial thing for Sanchez.

    Not because we're winning the Super Bowl this year; not because we're making the playoffs this year; not because Sanchez is going to have a 80+ passer rating this year. But because he's ready to learn from experience and we're ready to protect him from being shell-shocked.
     
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  8. pats-hater

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    5. Atlanta's Matt Ryan and Baltimore's Joe Flacco were able to transcend expectations as rookie quarterbacks because they had strong running games and defenses around them. The three first-round QBs in this year's draft (Stafford, Sanchez and Josh Freeman) don't have that luxury. Sanchez is the only one with even a slim chance of playing for a playoff team.

    So do the Jets bitch.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    D's in '08:

    NYJ: 16th in yards, 18th in points(our O gave up alot of points, our D's ranking should have been much better)
    Atl: 24th in yds, 11th in points

    running games:

    NYJ: Jones & Leon 366 carries, 1760 yds, 4.8 YPC, 19 TDs
    Atl: Turner & Norwood 471 carries, 2188 yds, 4.6 YPC, 21 TDs


    Looks similar to me.
     
  10. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    I actually think it may be best to have Clemens start the season. There is no reason at all to rush Sanchez into the starting lineup if he's not ready. If he IS ready, then he should start.
     
  11. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    There's no reason to think that Sanchez couldn't have a great first year. The guys who came in and lit it up had good rushing attacks alongside them and decent protection in the pocket. That's really the only variable you need to succeed as a QB if you have the tools.

    Here are the guys who came in recently and burned it up right away:

    2004 - Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers had 2,464 yards on the ground. No 1,000 yard rusher.
    2008 - Matt Ryan, Falcons had 2,443 yards on the ground. Turner 1,699 yards.
    2008 - Joe Flacco, Ravens had 2,376 yards on the ground. No 1,000 yard rusher.

    Here's what the Jets have to offer Sanchez in this regard next season:

    Thomas Jones - 1,312 yards
    Leon Washington - 448 yards
    Shonn Greene - ?

    It looks like they have to get to about 2,400 yards on the ground if they want to give Sanchez a real shot to do well as a rookie.

    BTW, the trend towards first year QB's doing well is very recent and so far totally dependent on the strength of the rushing attack. The defense is not a huge factor given that the Falcons were way down there.
     
  12. WhiteShoeWillis

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    2 out of those 3 only saw the field because of injuries. The plan was for them to learn on the bench. The third had zero competition.
     
  13. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Matt Ryan also benefited from playing a weak schedule in 2008. They got to play the Raiders, Chiefs, Lions, Packers and Rams. And he had the big running game to help. Not that I want to take anything away from what he accomplished, but he did have some luck in the scheduling.
     
  14. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    This is true but the phenomenon is well enough advanced at this point that it looks like it's a safe bet to put a talented rookie on the field if you can direct the flow of the offense away from him a lot of the time.

    If you absolutely need him to key the offense then you have one guy in NFL history (Marino) who was up to the task.

    A bunch of other guys, notably Peyton Manning, John Elway and Joe Namath but several more also, have been given the reins right off the bat and done so-so as their team kind of struggled around them.
     
  15. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    lol i spit my beer out when I read this. We have had, and probably always will have one of the best running games in the league.
     
  16. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    We had the second to last place rushing attack in the NFL in 2005 the 20th in 2006 and the 19th in 2007. That's not too long ago.
     
  17. EcKo151

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    And if he does? So what?

    Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs his rookie season.

    Now not for one second am I comparing the 2...But what Ryan and Flacco did is extremely rare.
     
  18. MobiusOne28

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    I love the Sanchez pick and if out rushing attack is effective I can see him being at least decent this coming year....but I'd still rather have him sit for the year if at all possible. I'd take every measure possible to not screw up his development.
     
  19. Hemi

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    The glass is half empty with this dude.
     
  20. Angry Teste

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    not sure why the article bothered you. Are you new to football?

    Do we have any number 1 receivers?

    really, please explain, I truly want to understand you.

    we can expect "bumps"

    explain...NOW
     

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