Yeah, good observation. His tendancy to be ridden out of the play and other times where he has his hands on his hips at the line of scrimage while everyone else is gang tackling is very revealing. Hate to say this but he reminds me of B. Thomas who I happen to feel has not lived up to expectations as a #1 pick. With these 2 on the field at the same time, I think the defense weakens.
"Hands on his hips while everyone else is gang tackling"? Seriously? You can now stop posting, since you've made it clear you're not even watching the Jets play.
I thought Gholston made the case that he can be an excellent back up LB for this team. The fact that we got Westerman for nothing makes his contract that much less of a burden. After Brady went in for Bledsoe the Pats ended up having a good backup and the money washed out. The strenght of our D is the LB corp and having 6 or 7 guys to rotate when our O is stalled and they D is on the field alot might be a very good thing.
Those who say he has gotten weaker, I say, have you seen him bull rush? He has power, just doesn't finish the play.
gholston just does gholston just doesn't have the balls to be nasty.you have to be born with it.the only solution for him is to add 29 lbs and play d.e.he would still be a lot faster then the defensive ends on the team.maybe if he hits the weight room with furvor.he might surprise us.
Really? And what game do you suppose Rex Ryan was watching when he made some disparaging remarks about Gholstons lack of initiative in this endeavour? Maybe you were making trips to the refrig when VG was on the field?
Funny. I seem to remember seeing them both on the field (at the same time even on some plays) and we (technically) didn't let the Texans score.
No, I was watching the game, and Gholston specifically, unlike yourself. And had you actually either listened to Rex, or read the entire transcript of what he said, hell, had you even read through the multiple threads where it was debunked that what he said was offense, it wasn't disparaging at all.
VG is holding is own and on many occasions , as has already been stated, is double teamed, which is great for the rest of the front 7. With Jenks also getting double teamed, thats invaluable, and I'm sure this has opened up Rex's eyes and maybe is now re-thinking his role, which is still developing. VG is slow in coming along, but most importantly, hes making progress, which is all we can ask as fans.
This is how I read into it. Ghost was @ rock bottom. A Coach can't beat a player when he's @ rock bottom so REX was praising him and showing confidence (Not like Mangunt who inactivated him). NOW, Ghost is actually showing signs of responding and playing better so REX is stepping it up and now saying this in another attempt to raise his game. IOW, He's not beating him down but he's now challenging him... This proves that REX isn't FOS, He's willing to work with players and also challenge them when need be....and he's also pushes his players to get better on the field not on the bench. IMO, that's coaching!
The guy didn't get shit for playing time last year. I know he wasn't good enough to earn it, but I think if he had gotten at least a games worth of time at the end or in blow outs, he'd be leaps and bounds better. As it stands, I think with each subsequent game, he will look better and better until he actually looks like an NFL player at one point, which hopefully isn't too long. He looked great against Houston, considering what we have seen, so there is deffinetly potential there.
Here's a question for the group: Assuming Vern is making slow but steady progress, would you sign him after his rookie contract expires???
If he's making slow but steady process that might mean he's actually an average NFL linebacker by then, so I guess it would depend on what he was asking for. Rex Ryan doesn't start average players on his defenses. He starts players who make a big impact. So odds are that Gholston is going to either click at some point and become a big impact player or he's going to get cut.
The problem is you don't draft a player at # 6 and expect him to be average. I've expressed my feelings on Gholston...too often. VG had an OK game Sunday, a couple of pressures and was doubled teamed a few times. As far as his contract, let's see how VG does this year and how much Rex will tolerate from VG's production. VG does deserve a mulligan for last year.....this year will tell the tale of VG's future. The problem I have with some players...they take the money and run and Vern had his big payday.
We shall see. All I see is a player with 'potential'. How many players labeled that by the Jets have actually gone one better? The 'P' word is used quite often these days (Smith ring a bell?) I stand behind what I say and what I have seen - and I have seen many linebackers/DE's come and go thru the Jets in many regimes. VG is just a good athlete and nothing more. He hasn't shown any football instincts or the ability to anticipate - like I have seen out of Westermanm for example. Watch these 2 carefully and notice how they play. Westerman attacks, while VG looks like he's waiting for something to happen. That can't be taught. Players like VG come and go real quick in the NFL - it's not enough to be just a great physical specimen. When B. Thomas was drafted, many were either calling him a bust or to be patient. Well the 'B' word fits him better , imo. What has he done to warrant a #1 pick? There were many experts in the NFL that questioned VG because he had shown a knack for disapearing in games while with O.State. Well, I see a disturbing pattern here.
gholstons play was weak. westerman is pumped and inspired, perfect for this team. play westerman. count your losses.
The one play that really impressed me was Gholston with some back side rush on Slaton on a sweep left. The play stalled as our line overpowered the pulling guards for Houston, and Gholston chased Slaton out of bounds for a gain of a yard. It was a far cry from when Cutler beat him to the edge a year ago.
