He did screw up the game against Miami on the final drive (2 times!) it's not that he is a below average pass protector (which I can accept considering how good he is at rn blocking) he REALLY sucks! If you have scarmbling-Roethlisberger as your QB who cares but with a rook like Sanchez it's vital to block the rusher some times...
So your shitting on the jets and happy its basketball season and your a knicks fan ? Good luck with that shit.
1. How am I shitting on the Jets? I'm just pissed off at Faneca getting beat twice on consecutive plays. 2. Fuck yea I'm happy it's basketball season! 3. Danilo Gallinari and David Lee comprise one of the most entertaining front courts in the league. Also, a back-court where you can have either KryptoNate or Larry Hughes is not too shabby either.
Very true. I mentioned this in another "bash the O-Line" thread. The cohesion the O-Line has plays a HUGE role in how well your RBs do as well as the QB. The other guys on the O-Line confronted the front office when B.Moore was cut and got him back (there was an article about this a while back). I think they would do the same if that happened to Faneca. The O-Line playing together makes them better. I think it was stated that this unit has played 68 games together or something? But like Kurt mentioned, get a guy behind him for development and see what the outcome is in TC. Thats the best way.
So what about Slauson? Obviously not a choice this current year, but we drafted him for a reason (and Callahan cheerleading for him). He's been deactivated all year on game day I know, but usually late-round picks need a few years to develop, gain size/strength for NFL caliber opponents etc. Anyone think that he could be a serviceable guard for us in the future?
On might wonder where Brick and Mangold would be without Faneca in the middle. You're paying him to be a teacher as well.
For all of those reasons, he's more likely to be Brandon Moore's replacement (30yrs old, solid but unspectacular) than Faneca's. Unless Slauson makes some huge strides over the offseason, the Jets are going to need to bring in someone else. Faneca might not give us this much next year and hoping that Slauson suddenly develops into a starting player is a huge gamble that leaves us in a horrible situation if it does not pay off. If the Jets don't bring in someone in the draft we're likely to be looking at Rob Turner(still on the team next year?) starting at LG by week 6. Slauson, to me, seems to be following the same pattern as our previous late-round OL picks (Bender, Turner). Even if Slauson does turn out to be the guy, why not draft another guard? It's not like having great depth on the OL is going to hurt us. My previous suggestion of a first round pick might be a little too high, but Faneca is the worst pass-blocker on this team. Tanny has to do something to prepare to replace him, something that does not include signing a declining player to a huge fucking contract. Even if the season is uncapped, constantly paying for Faneca-type players is only going to put the Jets in a terrible financial position, especially with Brick, Mangold, Washington, Revis, and Harris all looking for new contracts soon.
I think we definitely need to draft interior lineman more in general. It's something we've tended to neglect over the past few years. Faneca is above average in the run game but he's been lacking in the passing game since even before we acquired him. I still remember Dewayne Robertson abusing him in the Meadowlands in his last season with the Steelers. Dewayne. Robertson. -X-
Was Faneca's presence on this team a major contributing factor to the development of Ferguson and Mangold? Yes. Was he, at least partly, responsible for the offensive turnaround from the 07-08 to 08-09 seasons? Absolutely? Is cohesion on the OL a major factor to the success of the offense? Sure. Am I going to keep asking questions as a way of emphasizing my point? Not after this sentence. Faneca as a teacher has been invaluable to Brick and Mangold, no way around it. However, when you're making more money than every other guard in the NFL, you need to do a little more than mentor the younger players. Things such as: 1)stopping a pass rusher you are assigned to block from sacking your quarterback in the red zone during the drive in which you are attempting to take the lead over a division rival in a tight game; 2) not fail to do the above on consecutive plays. Faneca's usefulness as a teacher is unquestionable. The problem is, he's not being payed to coach but to play. Thus far, he's been disappointing in an important aspect of his game. We have coaches on this team who are payed to coach and do nothing else. One of them is Bill Callahan, arguably the best offensive line coach in the league. If Faneca is no longer with the team(before this goes any further, I feel that is important to note that I am not advocating cutting Faneca in week 8), the Jets are not going to lose all OL knowledge. Brick and Mangold are not going to forget everything that Faneca has taught them simply because he's not in the locker room. They are four year veterans. They are not going to revert back to their rookie season. Their over-all play could suffer if they have to constantly worry about bailing out Faneca's replacement on every passing down, but after Sunday's game one might wonder if that thought has already entered their minds regarding their mentor. As for the cohesion question, Kurt was pretty close to it: you don't mess with the cohesion of an elite unit. Problem: the Jets OL is not an elite pass protecting unit. They are the best in the business as regards the running game and they are above average against the pass, not elite. As I said before, benching Faneca this season is a remote possibility. His reputation, his value in the running game, and his paycheck are going to keep him on the field as much as possible. However, if Faneca keeps having problems like he did on the final drive against Miami, Ryan, Schottenheimer, and Callahan might want to think about their alternatives. I am not that high on Rob Turner but I could be wrong and if last week's game keeps happening then I will probably start hoping that I am.
I think you guys are being a bit too hard on Faneca... there are some things that he has brought to the table that go unnoticed, but still very valuable. Would Brick and Mangold be as far along as they are if Faneca wasn't there? I think now that Mangold and Brick seem to be on top of their game it's probably a good time to draft the LG of the future.
Yes, he's not terrible, and yes it was a good idea to bring him to the Jets. But he's not really playing up to his salary, imo.
It's all fine and dandy that Faneca has served as a mentor for Brick and Mangold, but I think they're experienced and developed enough that Faneca's tutelage is now irrelevant. BFD if he taught them; that's over and done with. If he can be upgraded - which he can be - you don't ignore that simply because he taught them the past couple of years. You say "thanks" and move on.
Agreed, but you can't upgrade him right NOW..gotta wait till the draft.. I have to assume we'll be grabbing a guard early...
While it's quite evident that Faneca is NOT performing up to the status of his salary, it is apparent why they grabbed him at the time. That was a GAPING hole in the line (thanks to the neglect of the Hermway administration), and as others have mentioned the cohesion of an offensive line is of upmost importance, making the whole greater than the sum of it's parts. His arrival was key in improving the performance to the two talented prospects next to him. Yes, they gave to much $ to a player in the twilight of his career (Pittsburgh and Philly know when to say "thanks for your services, but.....") but it also instantly gave some credit to the JETS as a whole, which I feel in turn helped gather in other free agents as they saw the JETS as a "legit" team, and not the 2007 mess. I am disappointed in what I see this year though, but it could be MUCH worse. Now it's time for the JETS to think proactively and draft bluechip prospects in both trenches to be able to rotate and maintain a competitive team. I hope that their 1st 3 draft picks are linemen (offensive and defensive), unless another position is a glaring BPA (CB?)
