Feel free to put all your other penalty threads in here, as well. So, I believe two of our three second half timeouts were used to avert 12 men penalties. Rex called one on D, Schotty (via Sanchez) called one at the goal line. As far as penalties go, I can tolerate false starts, holding calls, the occasional PI, facemasks... but twelve men on the field? How many times have we had this problem this season? Is it a communication breakdown? Is it always the same overzealous player running on the field like a mildly retarded Rudy? What gives? Who's responsibility is it, in the end? I know Rex is a rookie head coach, but he shouldn't be having this problem, Mike Pettine shouldn't be having this problem and the offense should NEVER have this problem. This seems to be one of those things that can be easily fixed, which is why it's so distressing that week in, week out, we can't keep track of our troops. Thoughts?
What really annoyed me about the twelve men on the last drive is that we changed personnel from a big package (previous play was a 4th and 1) to a 3 wide set AT THE GOAL LINE!! WTF! Why wouldn't you just leave that same package out there and punch it in? Granted thats exactly what we did but we even change in the first place?
Weren't the Jets having miscues like this BEFORE the bye week too? so my "thought" is as follows: WTF were they working on during the bye week?!
If I had to list my top five most infuriating penalties, they'd be: 1) Excessive celebration 2) Taunting 3) Illegal Formation (If your play fails before the snap... ugh.) 4) Twelve men 5) Fair Catch Interference 1, 2 and 5 are on boneheaded players. But 3 and 4 are on boneheaded coaching. *cough*Schotty*cough*
I kinda feel that since we've been retarded using passing plays in situations that call for runs such as that, they used it to throw them off, which is kind of clever.
It's a coaching problem which needs to be corrected. I know I keep making the "Rex is a Rookie HC" point but this shit simply cannot keep happening.
This team has absolutley no dicipline. Rex is a big fat joke. He better stop saying how good this fuckin team is a face facts. WE SUCK and so does he right now. I realize he's a rookie HC but he's got a lot of improvement needed.
Agreed. What upsets me the most...is that Rex had 2 weeks to prepare for this game....and we're still seeing the miscues we've seen in previous weeks. This game should've been a slaughter.......but the growing pains continue. That's football though.....hopefully we'll improve in the coming weeks and for next season.
Twelve on defense can be somewhat excusable, with the different packages being set up and swapped in an out. Never on the offensive side of the ball, though.
This is what the Great Schotty Debate boils down to. If you think an offense should trick the other team and always throw something unexpected at them, then you probably like Schotty. If you think an offense should do whatever they do best, regardless of how bland and predictable it might be, then you probably hate Schotty. Clever vs. Simple. I'll take simple.
I'm sort of on the same page......however...i do believe a few plays (1 or 2 at the most) of trickery keeps your opponents "honest". I don't think our offense should be based on trying to be clever.....but i do believe it should it play a minor part in the game plan.
agreed...no need to be cute. In fact, we should be able to have all 11 guys up there TELLING the defense, "hey, we're about to ram it down your throat", and then DO it. As the next play showed, there is NO reason an NFL team shouldn't be able to gain half a yard when absolutely necessary...
A "clever" offensive game plan is nice when you have average talent at QB, RB, WR, OL and TE which was exactly the case in 06 when Schotty was considered a "genius". But, when you have a dominating run blocking OL that struggles at time in pass protection, a productive RB, one of the best WR combos in the NFL (on paper at least) and an athletic pass catching TE being "cute" is not really necessary.
