Tanny's good with the cap, and the restrucuting helps, but the key this year was his ability to swap out for relatively expensive players (Sheppard, Jones, Fanecca, Rhodes, Feely) with inexpensive players (Cromartie, LdT, Slauson, Pool, Folk) and still get pretty good production.
Didn't read this whole thread but I'd rather let Cromartie walk. He gets burned too often for a top CB.
be interesting to see if one of them gets a chance to test the market and gets offered a bigger money deal - say 500k-1mil over the length of the contract, but they have to go pay for Buffalo, Arizona, or some other franchise will no real shot at contending for a playoff spot. Would they give the Jets a home town discount because they still make good money, are in a huge market, get to play for Rex, and should compete for a title for the length of their contract. Edwards said he felt like he was dying in Cleveland so would he really want to go back to a rebuilding situation?
lol you think if an inferior team is gonna outbid the Jets for their services by adding 500k-1 million over the length of the contract? If the Jets offer 5 years 30 million, a shitty team isn't gonna have a chance offering 5 years 30.5 million or 5 years 31 million.
That's something I've been pondering as well, and something the Jets will use as a negotiating tool. If they can pay him 6.8, and the Jets can only afford 6.2, then he may stay here. Jim Leonhard took less money to come here instead of Denver.
Just read the Cards are willing to listen to trade offers for Larry Fitzgerald I know its a pipe dream but he is an absolute beast.
I would be shocked if they will accept anything less than a 1 and a 4. But I would give up both Holmes and Edwards for Fitz. as you said, massive pipe dream.
Did I miss the article of presser where the Jets said signing Cro was the number 2 off season priority? I really don't think that is the case, 2nd round pick or not.
You're entitled to have an opinion, but I don't think yours is based on facts. For starters Cro is the second corner, and on the Jets is not technically the "top" CB. Name another #2 better than him. YOu can't.
As this off season progresses we all know the Jets have a lot on their plate of what to do with the roster. While they are lucky to have a core of players signed up and in good shape, that being Sanchez, Revis, Mangold, Ferguson as the best, then Scott, Keller, Moore, Cotch, Greene, and others in the second tier, we all know that in order to be well positioned to challenge for an SB next year, they can't take a step back with the roster in terms of quality. I know they won't be able to satisfy everyone's wish list, and if called to choose between letting one of Edwards and Holmes go or let Cro go, I don't know yet what I would prefer. But I do think all those who seem fine with letting Cro go should answer the question, what do the Jets do if he leaves? Counting on corners currently on the roster would imo be a huge mistake, potentially disastrous. We shouldn't go back to the way it was in 09.
From a talent standpoint, Holmes is better but will also be more expensive. While neither is a choir boy, Holmes is one screw up away from a one year suspension. Holmes can also be tagged for a year, CBA depending, so that would lower the risk. I just don't trust Holmes to stay away from the weed. Guy didn't learn anything the first time he got caught. I think bad teams would have to beat any Jets offer by a pretty significant margin. Holmes got a whole lot cheaper with that suspension this year. Edwards didn't help himself with the DWI either. For these reasons, I think it's entirely possible the Jets roll the dice and let them test the market. Both may find out there are few teams willing to take on the risk with a long term deal. That just seems like something Tanny would do.
The problem i see with letting them test the market, while perhaps not so risky as to make it unlikely Tanny would, is that if one of the two gets pitched a real high number, not only does that increase the likelihood that one of the two would leave. It also enhances the other's leverage with the Jets. In other words if the thought is the market will help determine which of the two will be the one the Jets keep, the implicit assumption is that the Jets will be able to keep one of the two. That strategy becomes more problematic if the process proceeds in a manner that one of them starts to leave, because at that point the leverage for the other, and the price it will take to keep him, goes up. The other thing which concededly is hard to quantify the value of is that both Edwards and Holmes say they want to continue playing with each other. I can see why. Whatever else one might think is going on in their heads, both seem smart enough not only to realize the Jets is a nice place for them to be, but also that if the other were to leave, they would see a lot more double teams and probably end up seeing the passing game be less productive. In other words these two guys, however disparate their personalities appear to be, seem to both get that they do better with the other on the team, and also that the team does better. Despite particularly Edwards's rep from Cleveland, and maybe it's just because they love Ryan and the team, or are more mature, but they both seem to get that it's not all about individual stats. Along with that I wonder how they would feel about their own attachment to the team and Ryan if they saw the other in effect dissed by seeing Tanny tell them to test the market and we will get back to you. In other words there are ways that the testing the market idea could backfire on the Jets.
I look at it this way, if we were only to keep one guy my preference would be to keep Edwards simply for this reason. Mark played outstanding in the games without Holmes sans the Ravens game in which well everything went wrong. He was amazing against the Pats and Phins. Edwards made huge plays in both of those games. It also made Keller a much bigger factor in the offense, a role which diminished when Holmes came back. I'm not saying there were locker room issues because I don't even think that's an issue. I think Mark tried too hard to keep both of those guys happy that it hurt our offense a little until he got comfortable with both guys out there. I also think with Holmes being a RFA it gives the Jets some more options as opposed to Edwards who is unrestricted. I really think Keller is the X factor in all of this, he has shown that he can be a huge weapon and he was in those first 4 games of the season. You also have Cotch who was fine as the #2 guy last year. It's not easy to just go find a guy that is going to produce like Holmes did but if the Jets are confident in Keller's ability and they could find another speed guy you may be able to somewhat absorb the loss of him a little easier. That being said my preference would be to keep both and let Harris go, (sorry I know he is good but I think replacing him would be easier for Rex to do then replacing two outstanding big play WRs)
What do you mean, "let" them test the market? The only way you can stop them from testing the market is (1) before free agency starts give them gigantic contract offers that exceed their expected market values by so much that they sign right away, or (2) apply the franchise tag (I think teams only have one this year) and thus guaranty one of the two a 9.5 million salary next year. Holmes and Edwards are testing the market.
I was clear that he meant that Tanny should let them test the market in the sense that he would wait until they did so before initiating negotiations.
I thought I made it quite clear. Don't give them any offers until they test the market. That IS risky. The Jets would have to outbid for them, but they would be banking on the fact that given the risk, especailly with Holmes, they would be cheaper to sign after testing the market rather than trying to sign them before they become FA's. Big Blocker got it... you did not.
Yeah you weren't clear. It's a stupid strategy in any case. No reason not to at least open negotiations with both at this point-who knows, maybe you luck out and they sign up quickly and for a low dollar figure.
I think it very risky, but whether it is stupid or not depends one the assessment of where the player and is agent are now. If as Thunder says you think they might be amenable to agreeing to terms at a reasonable number, I would strike while the iron's hot, and not take the risks I went over above. If on the other hand you have some reason to think the player starts out with an inflated notion of their worth, having them test the market might humble them into eventually agreeing to a lower number. So it depends.
