NYJetsCap masterpiece on our cap situation

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  1. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    For all of you worrying about the cap situation, read this. It should calm you down for a while.
    Tanny gave out bad contracts... but they were bad because given to the wrong people, not because of how they were structured. In fact they were structured in a way that allows some flexibility for the Jets, so that they can deal with them at any time in order to create cap space and get rid of unwanted players. NYJetsCap does an excellent job in explaining all of this and showing how we could go to 25 mill UNDER the cap with just a couple of moves. A must read.

    PS the only move I don't agree with is the Sanchez one... I'd prefer to have less cap space this year (say 15-20 mill range) but have my hands completely free for 2014 rather than having 8-10 mill in dead money potentially waiting for me there).


    Roster Cuts and Renegotiations -> http://www.nyjetscap.com/2013_Articles/jets-salary-cap-part1.html

    Restructures and Extensions -> http://www.nyjetscap.com/2013_Articles/jets-salary-cap-part2.html

    The Final Conclusions -> http://www.nyjetscap.com/2013_Articles/jets-salary-cap-part3.html


    N.B. I didn't paste the articles because he deserves the internet traffic
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    you are missing the point we are 19 million over for 33 players yes we can cut 5 more and get 20 million or so under and then with that 20 million we have to fill 28 roster spots as well as replace about 10 starters no matter how you look at it it is bad
     
  3. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    I was never worried about the cap situation. Sure we have give out some bad money to Tone, Sanchez, Gholston..etc but Tanny has always been been able to clear money each year. I personally liked Tanny as a GM and you can never deny that he was a really good capologist.
     
  4. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Hey look, don didn't read the article. Big shock there! :lol:
     
  5. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    that guy has entirely too much time on his hands. he also admits that his numbers arent necessarily correct but they are probably pretty close.

    that said, i read the first page before it bored me to death and what i gathered was that we could cut 6 guys and end up 2 million under the cap. i am assuming that does not include the guys we have to replace that will leave as free agents and does not count the 5.6 million he says we need for rookies.

    so as of the end of page 1 we need to replace 6 guys with 2 million bucks and have to spend 5.6 million too.

    the second page makes me think he is a jets fan living in fantasy land. if we cut holmes no other team is going to pay him 4 million dollars, they will pay him the bare bottom minimum as we will already be paying him. i just dont see it happening that way. i dont remember it ever working out that way. the new team signs him for the minimum and makes the old team pay him and have it count against them.

    im not going any further, john idzik will hopefully figure it out. im not going to waste my time trying to figure out how he will do it. its really inconsequential.
     
  6. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    It seemed rather simple and much like what I've read here for the last couple of months.
     
  7. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    This is the real problem.
     
  8. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Biggest problem is we have 48 million dollars set to be paid to players not worth their contract:

    Sanchez
    Cro
    Holmes
    Scott
    Harris


    Cro and Holmes play up to their contracts sometimes, scott can be cut. Sanchez is the real albatross here. Nyjetscap guy probably has a better plan than half the gm candidates did. Especially if you can rework Sanchez to make him a bit more cuttable in September.
     
  9. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Who are the ten we have to replace? Im assuming some will be replaced by guys on the roster already (i.e.- greene with powell, scott with Davis). Saftey will probably be a problem...
     
  10. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Assuming cuts + free agency

    Ufa's
    Yeremiah Bell
    Mike DeVito
    Braylon Edwards
    Nick Folk
    Shonn Greene
    Lex Hilliard
    Dustin Keller
    Laron Landry
    Brandon Moore
    Chaz Schilens
    Matt Slauson
    Bryan Thomas

    Cuts:
    Pace
    Scott
    Tebow
    Eric smith
    Jason smith
     
  11. TNJet

    TNJet Well-Known Member

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    I agree with all the cuts because dumbass Rex didn't give Tebow a shot at starting, so we don't know if Tebow could work for us.

    However, our number one priority has to be ridding ourselves of Sanchez. He has no chance of succeeding in a west coast offense because he lacks accuracy. If we keep him, I hope that our strategy is to get a high pick in 2014.

    As long as Sanchez is here, he will be the starter because of Rex.

    Also, Pace should be cut because his play does not reflect his pay.

    Revis needs to be traded because there is no shot of resigning this greedy diva with our cap.
     
  12. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    I read the whole series, purely for an entertainment value.

    He is not saying what I haven't been saying all along:

    1. Immediate cap saving will be in line with some 32M or so.
    2. These players with stupid contracts will have to take a pay cut. And, Jets currently have no way to force that to them. (Good luck with that. His second page was more or less that fantasy stuff he came up with. It looked like that fantasy shit Rev Chez or something blabbered ad nauseum.)

    Imagine, for instance, if you guaranteed your employee to pay 100k for the next two years - then, seeing how that does not fall in line with the market rate, you tell that employee that, you'd pay the same amount of money, but over four years instead of two. Is that a pay cut or not? That surely is a pay cut in my book.
     
  13. NFL

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    Wow, I'm sick of hearing the same two things over and over.

    "As long as Rex is here Sanchez will start." - No, it already happens. He was benched for another player. When that happens, it showed everyone that you have to make the entire offense accountable, not just Mark. Obviously he played ridiculously bad, but very few quarterbacks could of had a successful year in that offense.

    Now onto this "greedy diva". Do you expect, arguably the best cornerback in NFL history, and arguably the best defensive player in the NFL today to play for cheap? Give me a break. I'm not saying that we need to keep him, but he is worth the 14+ mil a year for a team that needs help in the backfield. It's obvious that it might be better for us to get rid of him now and get some picks to get this team back up quicker, but to say that he is greedy, or not worth the money is ridiculous. Right now many people are saying "let him go, we'll be fine". Yeah maybe, Jets were second against the pass this year, BUT that was with Cromartie playing extremely well, Kyle Wilson playing really well, and two safeties back there who dis a really good job. Who knows if Cro will play like that again? Wilson should keep improving, but the safeties are gone.
     
  14. The_Darksider

    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    This isn't the same thing. They only give pay cuts to guys they have leverage over, threaten them with being cut. "We owe you $12M, not guaranteed, we can cut you or we can rework it".

    In the case of restructuring, they still get the same money in the same period of time, it's just paid out differently. So, to make your example more realistic, you go to your employee and say "I'm paying you 100k, we need a little wiggle room, I'm going to pay you 50k this year and 150k next year instead of 100k each". Now, at that point the employee has to decide whether he can live on the 50k in order to make it to the 150k the next year. If he can't, he refuses and then you're out of luck. That last part is the only part that is comparable - Harris, for instance, can tell the Jets to go screw, he doesn't want to live on less now. But it's not a pay cut in the true sense of the the term.
     
  15. NFL

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    I'm not completely sure because I quickly skimmed it, but I think you got it wrong. For the deals that he did like that, I'm pretty sure that he extended their contract and obviously added money to them. So instead of making 9 mil a year for example, they would make 7 a year plus the extension with more guaranteed money.
     
  16. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    what a great year this would have been to graduate from Hofstra and try to walk on.
     
  17. PatsFanSeoul

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    I read the entire piece with great interest.

    The one takeaway for me -- there's still isn't a good scenario keeping Revis, as is inferred in his conclusion.

    If Jets have ~$30m in 2013 cap, and Revis is resigned to a fantasy-case scenario of $13m a year, that has got to eat up at least another $4m-$6m additional cap room.

    Then it's down to $24m-$26m to fill out the rest of a very weak offense, including a decent backup QB ($2m-$3m in cap, basically losing the space gained by releasing Tebow).

    Then what about the safety situation? Revis will be Revis, but no Cromartie will hurt. That puts more pressure on the GM to come up with a replacement for Landry (can't afford him) and possibly Yeremiah Bell. No Eric Smith either, so you're left with Josh Bush and Antonio Allen.

    Jets still need to hit a home run in this year's draft (i.e., find 3+ starters), and knowing Rex is pretty much the one making the roster decisions (despite what Tanny said), it's a long shot.

    Pats with a much better roster, money committed to younger, better players, and more room to spent both in 2013 and 2014, is still in an enviable position cap-wise, even if the author's overly negative analysis.
     
  18. 518

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    Last great Hofstra product was Colston. I should know, I was in his graduating class. No more football program though :(
     
  19. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    ive been saying this for ever about the cap, im not worried about it in the least
     
  20. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    How is this different from what I was saying? (I exaggerated a little bit to show - that I agree - but Mangold was supposed to make 9M this year, and Harris was supposed to make 13M this year - and their respective salary figures will come down to appropriate level, after restructuring and extending and all other hocus pocus. Are you telling me that is NOT a pay cut? How? If you don't get it yet - Mangold will have to work LONGER for SAME guaranteed figures. Isn't that what pay cut is all about? Decreasing the value given per unit time?)

    That's backloading, isn't it? That's how Bucs fucked Keyshawn. Players are not that stupid.
     
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