Magic Mike 2015 - 2018

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  1. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Taken from today's NY Post:

     
  2. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    That’s why Bowles and Mac are tied at the hip. Both are very much responsible for the good and the bad so far
     
  3. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Good read. I think Mac has done more good than bad, but he definitely has some flops sprinkled in there. It is not easy to completely rebuild a team, but that is what Mac has been asked to do. Not immediately though. At first, he was asked to plug holes for a potential playoff run and he got close, going (10-6). Then it all collapsed in 2016 and they had to start from scratch.

    As Jets fans, we focus on them. I am not sure how other team's draft classes look since Mac was hired in 2015, but I would bet they have similar hit/miss ratios. It is tough. They are paid to succeed though, so the criticism is deserved.


    Thanks.. I knew he was in his 4th year. Made the edit. - good callout! :)
     
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  4. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Mac has made some pretty obvious picks, I don't think I am going to crown Mac for taking 3 2nd rounders to move up, I am glad he did it but he has a long ways to go just like Bowles. Better hope Shell the RT has improved otherwise that maybe another pick that gets thrown to the curb.

    I do know, Mac needs to get a scout that can identify some good pass rushers cause right now, the jets haven't done a good job.
     
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    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

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    The drafting beyond round 1 leaves a bit to be desired. Maybe the Maye pick will start a trend of 2nd round and beyond selections becoming impact players. Right now, OL(namely LT) has to be priority 1 with a FQB and pass rush is 1A.
     
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    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    The Jets should get on the horn and hire DefenseWinsChampionships as a scout, duh. Pay attention and follow closely.

    Seriously, though, everyone and their grandma is a draft guru. People reading about draft prospects vigorously until the point of their heads exploding, just pick the ponies blindly at OTB. You'll have a better chance of winning. Aside from glaring standouts - and not even then - it's mostly a crap shoot. People are gonna complain to here and back that Darnold "fell into the Jets lap". Can Jets fans possibly ever be happy about anything?

    I'm not saying Mike Maccagnan - and fukk spelling this guy's name already - is a genius, but we landed Darnold. Goddamn, Wild Turkey tastes like shit.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    time to switch to tullamore dew
     
  8. mrjet80

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    Yeah well Darnold may have " fallen into his lap " but it was his trade that got the Jets into that position. The fact that he was able to hang onto next year's first round pick was astounding....and the Jets are gonna need that pick. He had no problem dealing the second rounders knowing he has almost $90 million to spend this coming off season.......Mac is still building the team. Some posters will trash him for the bad picks but like you said - it's mostly a crapshoot. He has torn it all down AFTER being asked to make a one year run - and seems to be on schedule for where a team would be during a complete rebuild. I will wait and see how this season progresses AND at least next offseason until I feel I can say whether he has done/is doing a good job or not.....
     
  9. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    Mac isn’t perfect, but I still like him better than Idzik and Tanny. He literally just made a ballsy move to get us a potential franchise QB. I wonder if you combed through every GMs drafts how many busts they would have, especially in the late rounds.

    He isn’t without his faults, but I don’t think he’s been bad by any means. We still have more cap space than any other team going into 2019 and we have some pieces as a foundation. I want to see one more year to see if he effectively addresses our weaknesses before changing my mind.
     
  10. Axel574

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    The irony of your user name in a defense of Mac thread has not gone unnoticed. :)
     
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    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    He’s probably going to be cut and then I will probably change it. Just bad luck with Mauldin trying to stay healthy. Can’t blame that on Mac.
     
  12. Axel574

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    He had potential... it's a shame we always seem to miss with the OLB position.
     
  13. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Tanny, mac, idzic all have missed too many picks after the first round that it’s going to take a really good draft or 2 to really get the depth right. That’s why bad teams stay bad, they can’t make up for the missed picks before the good ones age out or tie up to much cap or both.
     
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    Anything for a sport's writer to sell a meal ticket.

    I mean, you can do the same exact breakdown of every GM's draft picks over the past 4 years and you'll notice the same trend; a couple of hits and a lot more misses.

    No GM has ever went 100% on their draft picks but at the end of the day as a GM Maccagnan has...

    • Completed a roster purge in which consisted of Eric Mangini/Rex Ryan and Tanny/Idzik leftovers {✓}.

    • Put us in position to trade up and then later on land us a Franchise caliber signal caller in Sam Darnold (✓). And no one will ever remember those "3 Second Round picks" once Sam Darnold makes his mark.

    • Put us in position to feature the most amount of available salary cap space of any NFL team come the offseason and should also have us fully loaded in available cap space the following offseason of 2020 [√].

    • Ended our 2nd round drought with the selection of Marcus Maye (✓).

    Etc. Etc.

    What about Bill Parcells 4 years of drafting? If simply zoomed in and focused on the ugly and bad I can shread the big Tuna's draft(s) to pieces.

    James Farrior. His first ever Jets draft pick. 8th overall. Did absolutely nothing under Parcells but yet became an NFL star for Pittsburgh.

    Rick Terry who was drafted during the 2nd round, who?

    A 3rd round bust/jag WR in Dedric Ward.

    And who the hell are the likes of Terry Day, Lamont Burns, Raymond Austin, Tim Scharf, Chuck Clements and Steve Rosga who were all drafted during the 1997 draft? Who are they? Because not a single one sounds like any Household Jet names to me...

    What about 1998? We didn't even have a 1st round pick that year. Dorian Boose during the 2nd round? Scott freaking Frost and Kevin Williams with our two 3rd RD picks? Casey Dailey, Doug Karczewski, Blake Spence, Eric Bateman, Eric Ogbogu, Chris Brazell, Dustin Johnson, Lawrence Hart? Who? Outside of Scott Frost none of these guys have even ever made the @matt robinson 17 infamous Countdown to Kickoff threads...

    How about 1999? Once again. We didn't even have our 1st round pick. David Loverne, Jason Wiltz, Jermaine Jones, Mark Megna, J.P Mechado, Ryan Young and/or J.J Syvrud? Who? I have never once seen a Jets fan put on any of these jerseys...

    And in 2000 Anthony Stone Hands Becht was a big 1st round failure and who were Windrell Hayes, Tony Scott and Richard Seals? I honestly couldn't tell you...

    Bill Parcells had a couple of nice hits in Jason Ferguson (1997, 7th round), Jason Fabini (1998, 4th round), Randy Thomas (1999, 2nd round), Shaun Ellis (2000, 1st round), John Abraham (2000, 1st round), Chad Pennington (2000, 1st round) and Laveranues Coles (2000, 3rd round) but outside of those 7; nothing but swings and misses.

    But Bill Parcells and Mike Maccagnan aren't the only ones you can do this to. When focused on nothing but the bad and ugly and swings & misses; you can destroy and criticize every current GM's past drafts.

    This article was a joke and a joke that completely ignored all of the good that Mike Maccagnan has done thus far throughout his first 4 years.
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    I see our Executive Excuse Maker has found another thread to fertilize.
     
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    Mac hasn't drafted that well, but I think we can agree that he has found talent outside the draft and the roster seems to be going in the right direction. Everyone's job basically hinges on Darnold from here on out, so we'll see what happens.
     
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    Is Parcells a good point of comparison? Yes, he was a great coach, but not so great as a drafter. His best years were when he stuck to what he did best - coaching -- and had George Young doing the drafting. Parcells always wanted to buy the groceries but he was a better chef than he was a shopper.
     
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    Cman I read that yesterday and I have been more off the MAC wagon than on it. Look at this line and depth look at the Left tackle position ugh .We have needed an OLB since John Abraham , its been talked about over and over and basically Mac drafts Jenkins and Mauldin who will be cut this weekend and should have been released last year . Sorry kids Mac does not impress me.
     
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    I've been saying this since draft day. Besides Darnold which was the obvious choice, Mac basically took the rest of the draft off minus Shepherd. Draft picks are wayy too valuable to be swinging and missing as much as he has in his tenure with the Jets. His ability to evaluate talent is lacking.
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Well, Macc is 4 years in now and I'd like to think his learning curve is starting to flatten out. I'll say one thing for him, He's been pretty damn lucky so far having both Leo and Sam literally fall into his hands. Thankfully the one time he gambled actually paid off. Now moving beyond those picks. when you look at his entire body of work, I'd say he wasn't the worst GM ever as that honor falls to John F'n Idzik.

    His philosophy about the Oline however needs severe rethinking if he's ever gonna become the GM we need him to be. I do wonder if great GM's are born though. Parcells was a great coach, not so great as a GM. Tannenbaum was a great numbers guy, so so as a GM. Mangini was a so so coach, but had a great eye for talent and should have been a GM by now. Macc was a superscout by all accounts but so far, jury is out on his GM ability. He been extremely lucky in the first round so that's a plus.
     
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    I think Mac is on the upswing and if Bowles doesn’t improve I’d prefer to commit to Mac and let him hire his first HC than the alternative of starting completely over.

    Yes he’s had some misses in the draft, just like every GM currently in the league and those before him. He’s also had some pretty big hits and looks to have solved the decades long QB search while positioning the Jets to have the most cap room in the league going into next offseason. Yea he got lucky with Darnold but he put himself in the position to get lucky with Darnold by making the trade for the extra 2nd round pick and moving up the draft before any other team could.

    This team is on the rise and in good position to be ready to take over the east once Brady finally slows down or retires. Doubt it bears results this coming year but they’re getting closer. This past draft looks to have potential to be his best one yet.
     
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