How do we fix the Jets?

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Jonathan_Vilma, Dec 16, 2019.

  1. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Fire Gase.

    Then do the rest of your plan.
     
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  2. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    I’m all for overhauling pretty much the entire line. Outside of Beachum, the rest of those guys aren’t starters. I don’t think realistically we’ll be able to replace 4 guys but I feel like at least 2-3 new starters there next via FA and draft.
     
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  3. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    I really hope Joe D doesn’t share the same mentality of the majority of this board of OL or bust in the first rd. It’s early and so much will change between now and the draft but I’m finding it hard to find a scenario where it would make any sense to pass on Ceedee with our first pick.

    I think the priority for FA should be to find at least two starters on OL and one CB. I think that would free us and make a lot of people feel better about going WR in first.

    I’d like to trade Bell and draft a RB somewhere in the first 4 rds.
     
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  4. joe

    joe Well-Known Member

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    . .Here's one: . "I'm seeing ghosts..."
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  5. Donttasemebro

    Donttasemebro Well-Known Member

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    1) finish the incomplete lobotomies on the johnson nitwits
    2) put them on an iceberg with gase and set it adrift in the arctic
    3) draft 3 O-linemen in the first 5 rounds of the draft every year until the line is rebuilt and deep
    4) every other draft pick is BPA
    5) fill in gaps with value FA signings....don't chase the big $$$ free agents. It almost never works out and when it doesn't it damages more than just that position.
     
  6. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    As much as I want to prioritize the OL, a big stud WR like Jerry Jeudy or a pass rusher like AJ Espenesa would be a respectable first round pick.
     
  7. mrjet80

    mrjet80 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the write-up I look forward to posts like this.

    While I am in the camp of wanting the Jets to go OT in the first round and follow up with a center I can also see where that may not be feasible. I'm not sold on Wirfs if Thomas isn't available. I can definitely see a scenario where Beachum is resigned on another 'hold the fort' type deal while the rest of the OL is addressed. It's definitely not the best case scenario but if other positions are fixed - and I mean fixed not these nonsense draft trade downs for quantity over quality - then so be it. Especially if it means adding an electric WR.

    I also think EDGE will be addressed in FA - not sure exactly who.
     
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  8. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    2021 is also guaranteed for injury. If his injury is career ending, were going to carry him a couple of seasons. DRs recently gave him 50-50 odds of being able to play again.
    The league needs to put some form of cap relief system in place for situations like this. Players deserve their money, but teams should get cap relief in these situations.
     
  9. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    The Bills are in the Playoffs for the 2nd time in 3 years. Plus may actually unseat the Pats in AFC East! They have a better HC Granted but otherwise I would follow their lead and :

    One way or other have JD amass picks so we can trade down for talent

    If possible, try to stay within the first 3 rounds and start building from the Trenches ( OL a must) to protect your FQB
     
  10. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    This is going to be a very interesting off-season with it being the Final League Year per the expiring CBA.
    Some different rules than other years.
    No post June 1st designation for cut players.
    Teams may use both a Franchise Tag and a Transition Tag potentially limiting the # of players to hit the market.
    Will the lack of post June 1 savings prevent teams from using both tags?
     
  11. Mogriffjr

    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    The Bills remade their offensive line mostly via FA.

    Dawkins was the lone hold over as a starter. They drafted Ford in the 2nd, signed Morse, Villanueva, and Spain via FA. They also signed Long but he's their backup. So you don't necessarily have to go full blown OL in the draft. The Jets have Edoga as a nice piece for the future. But def 2 picks should be for the line, with one grabbed in the first few rounds. Then go get a few in FA, Resign Beachum and Lewis and go to war next season.
     
  12. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Villanueva doesn't play for the bills. maybe you are thinking of feliciano

    but yeah, other than morse they rebuilt their o-line mostly with second tier FAs. Although they still had a better core offensive line than we have and they had some swing and misses too in their rebuild the O-line through FA plan - Spencer Long, Ty Nsecke, Waddle from the Patriots. all bust signings.

    so basically, if the Jets think they can replicate that its gonna be a long shot. buffalo hits 50%, the Jets will need to hit 100% or else sign like 10 offensive linemen in free agency. Also, I disagree with you, I don't think Edoga is a good piece.

    The Jets need to draft tackles...plural.... in the worst way
     
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  13. Jets69

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    We should trade for Darron lee
     
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    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    We need to improve the ILB position. Cashman is too old and slow! Undersized too! :D;)
     
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  15. thirtyoddfreestyle

    thirtyoddfreestyle Well-Known Member

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    You forgot step 1

    FIRE ADAM GASE
     
  16. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Edoga looked terrible this year at tackle. He might have a chance at guard but he reminded me of Ducasse his first couple games. Weirdly enough, Ducasse became a stopgap starter in the NFL so there is hope.

    You can rebuild an offensive line with stopgaps and revamp 3/5 spots or more in an off-season. It's just tough to do and you better have pieces in other places so it's all you need to focus on.
     
  17. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    watching sam hit anderson on those deep slants and crossing routes, you may be on to something! too bad we didn't trade leonard williams for him a few months ago
     
  18. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I basically like your plan, but have a couple of disagreements.

    First, I think Poole is a must re-sign. We got the best play at slot CB that I think we've ever received. I don't think he'll ask for crazy money, and the Jets can probably keep him by giving him a longer deal with some nice guaranteed cash up front.

    Two, Lachlan Edwards is a FA and must be re-signed imo, Jonotthan Harrison is not a FA, and Laquon Treadwell is a waste of roster and cap space imo. No way I'd sign him. Depending upon the cap and how much space we had, I might look to add Shaq Barrett if he was willing to sign a reasonable,incentive-laden deal. I'd love to sign Ngakoue, but you're probably right that he will be too rich for our blood.

    Three, in the draft, I think we'd be very fortunate for Humphrey to fall to us. I agree that edge rusher is going to have to wait, so I wouldn't take Willekes in the 3rd round. I'd either draft a 2nd WR or a CB, then with the 4th round pick, I'd look to take a better RB, hopefully the power RB from Boston College whose name escapes me at the moment. I also think there's a good chance that Bell will be traded, so we will need a better quality RB than a 5th rounder from LA-Lafayette. After this season, after this season and what happened with Siemian and Falk, I'm also not sure that the Jets will go with Fales and a rookie QB, especially as the backup. I think they will look to sign a better backup and either have two veterans backing Sam up, or a better veteran and a rookie. By the way, Fales is a FA as well, so in your FA signings you need to include a QB. We might have to forego signing Conklin or signing a cheaper CB.

    I also agree with several posters that firing Adam Gase should be step #1, but sadly we know that won't happen.
     
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  19. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Why would Poole come back on a reasonable contract? Justin Coleman signed a $9 million per year deal in the off-season in the slot. That's what Poole will look for. He had an excellent season and he tackles well which is important for a slot corner.

    I don't trust Shaq Barrett at all. He's having his best year in essentially a contract year and it's nowhere near his standard 2.8 sacks per year. Someone will give him monster money. I hope it's not us. Why would he sign an incentive laden deal? He's going to get a 4-5 year deal in the $60-$70 million range. That's what happens when you lead the league in sacks.


    You're right. Harrison isn't a free agent. I included Edwards on the roster. We'll re-sign him.

    Bell being traded obvious changes what I'd do in my off-season. I didn't include it. If I did I'd add a runningback draft high. Don't knock the small school runningback though. They can be super successful. Ragas is averaging 7.3 ypc. He's unspectacular but a solid runner. He may not be the guy but I think we'll take a mid round back regardless.

    We need to add a #4/#5 receiver to the roster regardless. Take your pick of the garbage at the bottom of the barrel in free agency. I chose a former first round pick to try and re-invent.

    I don't think we'll spend premium money on a backup quarterback. Maybe bring back Siemien. This roster doesn't have the luxury of paying a backup QB $7-$8 million.

    And as much as I wanted to ignore the defense you can't build a winner doing that. Balance needs to be had. That's why we're such a losing franchise. There's zero balance.
     
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  20. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Poole might be really happy here in Williams' D. He's played much better than he ever did with the Falcons. The Jets could give him a good contract with easily makeable incentives and some good guaranteed money, and he could stay.

    As far as Shaq Barrett, sorry, my bad. I got him confused with Shaq Lawson of the Bills. Lawson is a 2nd tier edge rusher who could possibly give us 7-10 sacks a season.

    As far as backup QB, I think you may be wrong. After this season, the Jets would get crucified if they didn't have a competent backup behind Sam in 2020. Siemian isn't it. He looked worse than Falk. I think they'll look to add a better backup QB.

    As far as the small school RB goes, I don't have a problem with players from small schools in general, would just be hesitant to draft yet another RB from LA-Lafayette. Elijah McGuire played for the same school and had similar rushing stats (8.4, 7.6, 5.0, and 4.9 during his college career, with a 6.1 career ypc average. Ragas' stats? (5.7, 5.7 & 7.3, for a 6.1 ypc career average)
     

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