Yes I think that had a big factor actually. NE showed the blueprint. You dont need to blitz as Darnold will make his own mistakes. He simply can't figure out post-snap coverage rotation. They line up looking like they are in man coverage, as soon as the ball is snapped they rotate to a Cover 2 zone. that's why Darnold was "seeing ghosts." He wasn't sure if they were in man or zone and didn't want to throw it to the cover-two hole. Teams copied that and he sucked. Miami with Flores gave Darnold the exact same defense that's why he has sucked in every single game he's ever played against Miami and NE. - Its hard to win anything when your QB guarantees you will go 0-4 against those two division opponent defenses, especially when the other division opponent is a great team at 13-3.
flacco sucked too lol he looked far from a pro bowler. flacco has a way better deep ball then sam though so had success with periman. that was all he did better though
see wasn't easiest. also not really. we tied for the giants for 5th easiest but 4 teams SOS aren't listed (bears, steelers, texans, rams) because they didn't have a 1st pick so could be a little higher good find though
It seems like Sam associates one defender with one receiver; he really struggles with seeing lurking defenders. Maybe he can be productive in the new offensive system we have because it makes it easy for QBs, but I'd personally rather take my shot at getting someone that will be better than average.
Let me ask you this, you don't think play selection makes a big difference? The jets are last in the NFL by far with pre-snap motion, last in play action calls, and 1st in 3rd and longs (mostly due to running gore way too much) you don't think those 3 factors make a big difference on a QB?
Exactly!!! Sam can’t identify cover 2 man to zone switch. most of his INTs happen here. Bills, Colts, 2nd NE games this year.
This is the root problem. Gase ran a simple dropback offense and personally he wanted Flacco to start, and then Flucco lost two games. Once Gase had Sam go from dropback to run action, dumpoff/rollout. He shined and we won two games. Sam is lethal throwing both left/right on rollout. In comparison, Allen can’t throw accurately moving to his left. Just gotta scheme to their strengths.
yeah gase is stubborn in his system and wants players to sink or swim in it. he never adjusted to what was good for the talent we had. it was awful to watch.
Darnold actually went (6-4) after that game. Lost to Jacksonville and Miami after, but then finished the season (6-2). Pretty good after starting the season with mono and being (1-7). @GasedAndConfused makes many good points about Sam. I'll tell you what happened in 2020. ALOT. -Adam Gase continued to be a terrible Head Coach. -No off-season. -New offensive line -Lose Robby and replaced with a huge downgrade in Perriman (who I thought would be an upgrade) -Non-stop injuries at WR -Started (0-3) and looked bad doing it. -Week 4 gets BODY SLAMMED (no penalty) and has his shoulder injured. -Starts to finally look a little better against the Chiefs and INJURES IT again. -By the time he returned again the team is (0-10) and completely demoralized and checked out. -He played well against the Raiders, Rams, and Browns, but it was far too late. To me, 2020 was a lost season, much more than Sam is a lost QB. I know for a fact that he isn't actually. Him standing strong at the end of the season was impressive. He will play much better for some team in 2021. The question is do the Jets feel they can improve the position with Wilson, Fields or Watson? If so, then you make a move and trade Sam. If not, continue to build around him and give him one more chance in Green and White.
year 2 he was also 7-6 as a starer. the other 3 losses were with luke falk/tervor simian as starters. he also played week 1 with mono in a loss. he was 7-5 when healthy Good point about the injury as well. he clearly lost zip which could be attributed to INTs. he came back and played with an injury in a game then had to sit out 2 weeks to recover and didn't look the same. he should be healthy in 2021 barring anything unfortunate. The fact he did manage to win us 2 games at the end of the year against 2 good teams (rams who made the playoffs and an 8-8 raiders team) is pretty impressive in it's own right. He's really getting a raw deal. there is a good chance we trade down and don't take a QB if saleh likes darnold. saleh won in SF with bum QBs garappolo, beatherd, mullins. sam is way better then them. I think the jets try to use these picks to build a team around sam and give him another year before making a decision.
Yep, and that is what they should do. Again, if they are wowed by Wilson or Fields, or get the deal they want for Watson, then they should make a move, otherwise, they should definitely give Sam another year. I notice there are 2 kinds of fans. Fans that just look at what players do, and other fans that truly realize it is a team sport. That is why I always valued Manning and Rodgers over Brady. They did more with less. That logic flows over to Darnold and Allen for me. One has the perfect situation, and one has had a horrendous situation. I see the full scope instead of just wins and losses or statistics. The problem is the NFL moves really fast. You don't get a million chances and sometimes bad habits can't be undone. So Sam has been put in a tough spot. He needs to step up and fast. Douglas and Saleh do too to help him and I think they all will.
exactly but fan are impatient. they want to believe 1 thing can make a team good. it gives hope. if we just get watson we'll be good. but it doesn't work like that. houston has watson and they sucked. they were as bad as we were. we are picking 2nd they had the 3rd pick but traded it away to get a player to make them better and it backfired hard. We have to build a team and having all these picks and money helps a lot. trading down from 2 will help more. I'm not really sold on wilson or fields TBH and not sure if it's worth taking a guy like mac jones if he slips to the 2nd round which is possible. My theory is that if it works and sam is good and we are good we can sign him to a reasonable short term deal and if he breaks out he would be cheap. If he's bad again we'll pick high and can try and land sam howell who to me looks better then any QB on film this year we could get. and he'll come into a situation with stability at HC and GM and a better team around him. same way the bills rode with tyrod taylor for a year and deferred a QB passing on watson and mahomes to take josh allen a year later and not screw over a rookie QB like we did to sam. Wilson looks better on film then fields but the injury history and off field personality scares me. lance is fields with better tools but less polished and a smaller resume. There is no such thing as a perfect QB prospect though and sometimes you gotta take a swing. check out sam howell though. he looks impressive on film. also i made an edit to the OP adding in 2018 it's worth taking a look at.
Yeah, that was good throwing 2018 in there, @GasedAndConfused. It really shows you how bad Gase was and that upsets me. It may work out in the end as it ended up leading the Jets to Douglas and eventually Saleh, but what a huge waste of 2 seasons. To see that Jeremy Bates actually ran a better offense with a rookie Sam and worse skill players than Gase did is embarrassing. Christopher Johnson should be ashamed in that decision, which everyone thought was terrible at the time, and it proved to be even worse than we expected. It shows that the potential for Sam Darnold is still there though, especially at only 23 years old.
You right it was bates. morten was the year before. I had them mixed up. but still yeah bates ran a much better offense. the D killed us sam's rookie year. it was awful. GW came on and improved the D greatly but gase ruined the offense. then in 2020 the D just gave up too and was awful. Gase hiring was a huge set back but as you said it led us to JD and saleh so maybe a blessing in disguise
I just can't fathom the thought process behind wanting to keep Darnold. The guy averaged less than 1 TD per game in his third season! Are we hoping he can miraculously improve and get us 1.5 TD's per game? It's so insane.
Half of these excuses apply to most other QB's in the league. I hate how we always cite endless excuses for Sam and act like the 31 other QB's are all throwing behind all pro OL's to all pro WR's under schemes devised by all time great coaches.
they all haven't had that and many fizzle because of it. most rookies come into bad situations. the one's that didn't recently were ben, baker, allen, mahomes and lamaar and look how they have done. rodgers had a win now team and got to sit behind favre. brady took over a playoff team as well. someone like rivers won a lot of games but nothing playoff wise really despite being a great QB because he never had a team around him
