Brian Flores to sue the Giants over hiring process?

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  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    That's the point. Flores didn't comply with that bullshit plan from the owner. That's why he's out of a job despite everyone acknowledging he did a pretty good job coaching.
     
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    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Do you guys think Flores interviewed two minority candidates before deciding on the two white guys he hired as his lawyers?
     
  5. ouchy

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    I figure any team would be stupid to turn their back on a good coach, black or white. Why let something stand in the way of success? Hire the best person, period. If someone is a racist its already a form of punishment to the team and their fanbase.
     
  6. RPOZ51

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    It’s a crazy world, man.
     
  7. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    I think flores is so far off base here. The racism thing is way overblown. he wasn't fired for being black, if that was the case he wouldn't have been hired in the 1st place.

    he was fired for either A) because the owner wanted him to do shady shit and he refused to do shady shit which I agree is unfair but it's not racist or B) because he created a situation where he pissed off his QB and GM and the 3 couldn't exist together so the had to either fire their GM and find a new QB and commit to flores or just replace him which is easier
     
  8. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    His lawsuit has gone right over your head.
     
  9. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    I was referring to the point of him throwing games. The discussion was how Miami was screwing bettors but the fact is Flores never once tried to throw a game.

    As for the rest of the lawsuit, I think it's ass.
     
  10. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    That’s the whole point.
    He wouldn’t play ball on an immoral request, and ended up being fired despite a good job.
    He also wouldn’t take part in a player tampering scheme.

    Where was all this moral high ground while the Patriots were cheating in plain sight tho?
    If he’s gonna get ostracized by the league, might as well bring more light to that as well.
     
  11. Satan

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    Sadly Ben Crump was too busy
     
  12. Poeman

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    He went to school in the NY area with one of them
     
  13. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    I think there's more to it than him not going along with the plan from 3 years ago. I'm guessing some of it has to do with him hating the QB and letting everyone know that, including the QB.
     
  14. Ontherise

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    The longer this goes... the less coherent Flores' arguments seem.

    Yes. He seems to have a reason to be upset about getting fired by the Dolphins... and if he was asked to do illegal things - I'm all for him outing the Dolphins... but the crux of him getting fired seems to be his failure to get along with the owner/gm.

    Trying to mix that with some very flimsy racism-ish claims against the Giants/Denver/Belichick isn't the good look or as scary to the NFL as I think he and his lawyers thought it would be. I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole if I was another NFL team. These decisions are not the product of good judgement.
     
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    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    you don’t have to continuously prove your inability to grasp basic concepts. It’s well established at this point.
     
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    uh huh, and you are the one who said it doesnt matter if a coach is trying to rig the game or not. Or whatever you were trying to say
     
  17. JetBlue

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    Correct, a coach in isolation can't throw a game because he can't control how well the players play. He can try to, but the players could actually execute the plays despite his desire. That's different than a player having direct control of a play's outcome. I know, that argument has multiple elements to it which you are easily confused by. As I mentioned, you've already proven to be confused by complex arguments; of which for you complex generally means two elements.
     
  18. JetBlue

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    Was it immoral? If so, what was actually immoral about it? There wasn't any deception to the public because everyone knew the Dolphins were trying to lose that year, hence why everyone was surprised they were better than anticipated. Not a single person thought the organization was trying to win games, so not doing so wasn't deceptive, and deception is the only claim it would seem would apply to such a situation. The organization was rather transparent in their desires not to win many games that year by their personnel decisions. Nobody was deceived.

    And it wasn't illegal, because laws related to sports are centered around gambling, specifically manipulating the outcome of an event solely to directly profit from a specific outcome of a bet not simply having an interest in gambling as a business as some morons in this thread have attempted to claim, of which I won't name names but rhymes with bagel. There is no federal law explicitly preventing the clandestine manipulation of sporting events separate from gambling. So even the claim of bribery has no merit because an element of the definition of bribery is to commit a crime, and there is no crime in deliberately trying to lose a game unless it is done to impact a bet.

    The reason he has even brought this up is to muddy and confuse the situation because he knows it has no merit on its face but maybe if he makes them look bad enough in other areas people will believe his claim. These are not the actions of someone with a sense of morality who is a symbol of doing what's right.
     
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