Dan Campbell’s first year in Detroit they lost their first 9 games, tied their 10th and didn’t win until week 13. they got crushed a bunch of times in that span including a 44–6 loss to the Eagles. They finished sort of strong even though they got blown out a few times at the end as well. I could only imagine what Detroit fans were saying during that season. A team that knows misery the same way we do and has come to expect it no matter who the coach, quarterback and coordinators are. Good thing no one listened to them. I’m not saying it’s going to happen here. I’m saying there’s precedent for a rebuilding team with very little talent, and don’t fool yourself this team has a very bad roster outside of its top five players, to struggle big time especially with the first time head coach but still end up as perennial Super Bowl contenders a few years later. As always it comes down to the quarterback. Justin Fields was never it and it’s never been more evident than now. We have to hit on whoever we take in April. But that’s obvious, my point is new regime with bad rosters and rookie coaches take time. Just because it sucks now it doesn’t mean it’s going to suck later. Not that it makes it any more fun to watch now… Especially not when you’re paying eight dollars for a bottle of water and driving from CT to NJ to watch it.
Very well said BA. I am emotionally checked out this year so I have patience. I believe Glenn is the right man for building a culture. But he comes from the defensive side and if he can't bring in the right OC and pick the right QB, his time here will also be short.
I guess that’s a good way to look at it. My extreme levels of apathy make me more patient. we will see, but despite yesterday being an absolute train wreck the early returns on Engstrand are good. Not sure how much they touched on it on the broadcast but there were receivers running wide open all day and a bad quarterback who historically doesn’t know how to hit open receivers, wasn’t hitting them. A couple of them were thrown balls that he just missed but some of them he never even got out of his hands. The offensive design is there. We need the quarterback to pull it off. Not a great place to be in but unfortunately it’s a better place than we’ve been in for years.
Have you ever stopped and wondered if even the top 5 players on the Jets are as good as they get credit for, or are their perceived quality enhanced by the dreggs they are surroundedby and ultimately compared with?
Always easier after the fact, but I think Fields was a mistake in the sense that he's never going to be a franchise Qb. Would have rather seen the Jets sign a Gardner Minshew, Daniel Jones, or Mac Jones. Then used the extra money to get another WR like Olave, etc.. then trade Breece for DK Metcalf. Honestly Breece is wasted in this offense and Allen/Davis combo is not a huge dropoff. For the draft, they could have targeted Jaxton Dart, trading out of top end of the 1st (securing an extra 2nd/3rd) and drafted Anthony Belton in the 2nd. They would be much further along in the rebuild. The team would also have more weapons and be better than it is today.
Including myself , an overview would tell us that a lot of us are jumping the gun etc…. It’s way too early to make judgements on anything. So far we’ve got one good performance with some mistakes, and a horrible performance . A rebuild and patience sounds great in the offseason, but it’s not gonna fly with any fanbase when the team is on the field. Especially us jet fans. Hopefully yesterday was just a learning experience early , and things trend upwards
Please stop with the Lion's comparison. They were able to get Goff, a very capable starting quarterback, AND TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS (and a third) for Stafford. The Jets don't have any player that valuable. In fact, we don't even have our own 3rd round pick in this draft coming up. This thing is not turning around anytime soon.
Sauce is a perennial all pro Q is borderline all pro Wilson puts up numbers with bad QBs and would have even better numbers with real QBs Big fish small pond doesn’t really apply to guys who are good no matter what the pond looks like.
OK and if we end up drafting a capable starting quarterback how is that any different? Because we don’t have magical draft picks? You just cried about comparisons and then went on to talk about why the comparison is actually pretty close.
Even if the Jets had all that, Glenn was not the head coach or GM. He was the defensive coordinator. He is not the primary reason the Lions turned around so to expect him to be the primary reason the Jets turn around is just hopium.
I don’t really like the Lions comparisons much either just because it seems like an overly optimistic scenario. However we also may have our bookend tackles of the future too. That could be huge. Fields had all day to throw yesterday. He held the ball too long and probably couldn’t find anyone open because our receivers are absolute garbage. The meltdowns on this board are pretty wild though. We could’ve been 1-1, we’re 0-2 and got smacked by a much better team. We didn’t get routed by the Saints lol.
I don’t think there’s a single person on this board that would’ve advocated for signing Mac Jones or Daniel Jones in the offseason my man.
Not totally true. There were receivers open a lot of the time. He flat out missed a bunch and then never even threw the ball other times. Not sure if they showed it on tv but it was obvious and frustrating in purpose. I actually walked away feeling pretty good about Engstrand despite the disaster. Edit: “not totally true” because what is true is that we have shit WRs. But at least the OC is scheming them open.
You know now that you bring it up…I think Daniel Jones would have been a better option than Fields probably…he is also a very good runner even if maybe not as good as Fields, but he is a better thrower by far. Not that he’s great at all, but yeah, if the Colts called and said let’s trade straight up, I’d be on board
Even if we drafted Dart? To me signing Fields was a band-aid to get us to a max 8 wins, mediocrity vs a true rebuild. The frustrating part is- The Jets are going to be in the same spot after this season that they were in coming into this season with similar needs.
They could’ve drafted Dart whether they signed Fields, Mac Jones or Daniel Jones. That wouldn’t have mattered. They signed Fields to a glorified one year prove it deal. Let’s wait and see before we decide every decision made was bad. Derek Carr was going to the Super Bowl after two weeks last year. At this same point last year the Saints were 2-0 and scored 91 points in two games with a 5:1 TD:INT ratio. He’s out of the league and they’re probably in line for the #1 pick this year after they went 5-12 and gutted the organization. Let’s also see what happens with Jaxson Dart. He played one good preseason game and suddenly Jets fans are unbelievably jealous.
I don't know about "crying" but OK. 2 extra first round picks and an extra third round pick are pretty valuable to have when rebuilding. My point was this: they had a more than capable QB. I think we forget that Goff was pretty freaking good in LA outside of his rookie year. In his 4 years he went 42-20 with 17,000 yards passing and 102 TDs. And an appearance in a little game called the Super Bowl. You believe the Jets are drafting that guy? Maybe. I doubt it though. With the extra picks the drafted: RB Jahmyr Gibbs (via trade with Cardinals) TE Sam LaPorta (via trade with Cardinals) DT Brodric Martin (via trade with Cardinals) WR Jameson Williams (via trade with Vikings) EDGE Josh Paschal (via trade with Vikings) CB Ifeatu Melifonwu Oh and for good measure and they also drafted with their own picks Aiden Hutchinson, Jack Campbell and Brian Branch in those 2 drafts.
Thoroughly disagree here. Outside of keeping Rodgers, Fields was the PERFECT guy to bring in. It was a full blown reward v. bust scenario. If he was going to "get it" then he's young enough to build around. Not get it then draft a QB, kick Fields to the curb and keep Taylor as the veteran backup to the rookie. BOTH Jones are still young enough they are going to want to start at some point. Daniel obviously in Indy now and Mac Jones is looking to resurrect his career as a starter. Not go into a situation to be the career backup. Minshew...not sure how I feel about that. I also don't want to hear about Dart. Dart is NOT a proven commodity by any stretch of the imagination and, from what I hear, wouldn't even be in the discussion with next year's crop of QB's coming out. No, as shitty as our situation is I'd rather have that than the alternative. Final thought, if Fields blows ass the rest of the year then this team should be in a position to get one of the top guys coming out. Also, can you people PLEASE stop commenting on this current regime and their inability to effectively draft a QB in 2026? PLEASE!!! If all you armchair QB's have this information as a lock then "maybe" you all should go buy lottery tickets because you all know more than I apparently do. Unlike some, I do not have a magic crystal ball or a deck of cards that's telling me this current regime has no ability to draft a FQB. Just trying to figure out exactly "where" your info. is coming from so I can get on the train.
The Jets gave Fields $40M + 2 years, which signaled a belief and greater level of commitment than these other guys got (most were 1 year and/or $ peanuts). My point isn't that these guys are better or that Dart will succeed, but more that in all likelihood after this season we're gonna be in the exact same situation... which to me is super frustrating. With that, nothing we can do now and agree let's see how it plays out.
