Jets have been over .500 1 time in the last 14 seasons, 2015. One could argue that team was built to win, because it won 10 games in a 16 game season, even if they missed the playoffs. No more than 7 wins in a season since and badly outscored in most of them, even with the expanded format, so they’ve been rebuilding at the very least since 2015. Every time a new engineer comes in, they work with the foundation that’s in place because it’s impractical/impossible to completely demolish every part of the building and start over. Look at the Jets season leaders for the past 15 years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/index.htm Each guy they’ve brought in has been working with a rotted foundation from the start, and they keep hiring inexperienced people to try to fix the issues. I’d be shocked if nobody has done a case study on this franchise yet. There must be some valuable lessons on how not to run a business in there somewhere. I’d say there are 2 things that keep this franchise languishing in the depths, though, and they’ll be no surprise: No QB, and a terrible owner. We can’t get rid of the owner, so the best chance of a turnaround comes in the form of drafting a QB who’s good enough to overcome front office ineptitude until they can land a coach/GM who’s even somewhat qualified for the job. In other words, the outlook is real fucking grim.
100% Any of the talk about criticizing the fanbase for being inpatient is idiotic. I’d claim the opposite. This team has had one winning season in over a decade and owns the longest playoff drought in all major sports. The fanbase is not overly inpatient…that is just a brutal recent history that deserves all of the shit that comes its way. Like you said, if this was the first or second year of a real rebuild, then sure. But it’s not. It’s just repeating the same fucking dumbass decisions that the imbecile owner has continued to make time and time again.
Well if you wanted it to be a “real” rebuild, would you been ok with them dealing Sauce, Breece & Garrett Wilson? Keep Tyrod and feed him to the wolves while you try to tank the season and accumulate picks? Sometimes I think they do need to tear it down to that extreme and see what happens. Since the middling we’ve been doing results in us picking just far enough outside the top picks to miss on the QB we really want. Jets fans also would’ve revolted at a tear down like that, so pick your poison.
Gotta admit it was disappointing to see Glenn talk about patience yesterday a week ago it was accountability, they even cut a dude who fumbled. Then they get their asses kicked and Glenn starts telling us fans we need to be patient
No I wouldn’t, but that’s also not my idea of a rebuild either. A rebuild sure does entail tearing it down, but it also includes building. To me, a good rebuild keeps the foundational players that are going to be part of that rebuild, and to me, GW and Sauce ARE part of that foundation…as are Olu and McD, Q, and JJ. I guess Membou as well. That’s it. Those are the players we have that are good and worth building on. Breece is talented but also up and down some, and RBs have short shelf lives…I liked keeping him but would have understood moving him for picks if needed. My biggest issue with this “rebuild” talk is just that Woody the fucking moron keeps making BAD decisions. We literally have tried rookie DC hires time after time and none have worked outside of two good years with Rex 15 fucking years ago. He could have made calls to Harbaugh or Payton a couple years ago. He interviewed McCarthy and let him walk out the door. Any of those 3 guys should have been the pick instead of Saleh. I wanted an offensive guy. I got another rookie defensive guy who somehow has to figure out how to identify, draft, and develop a QB because we haven’t had one since Pennington and without one we ain’t gonna win shit. I would trust any of those three guys to do that more than I trusted Saleh and now AG to do that. That’s the inpatience we have as fans. Obviously we can’t control it and have no say. But that doesn’t mean we can’t be vocal about the stupidity that Woody keeps throwing at us. Doesn’t mean we have to like it and take it.
Harbaugh wasn’t coming here and the Broncos had to trade picks to get Payton (who I also don’t believe would’ve come out of retirement to come here anyways). So I don’t think your reference to rebuilding has much of anything to do with the roster decisions. You merely are unhappy with the head coaching hire and his background? I’m not trying to be a smartass at all either but I think Jets fans are crossing up what a “rebuild” really is. For what it’s worth. A “rebuild” in the NFL should take no more than 1.5 years. You can clear out the coaching staff, have a losing season and then by year 2 you should be competitive to make the playoffs. It all hinges on coaching hire and QB decision(s). This roster has enough talent on it to the point where we should be competitive all year IMO. It’s a bad sign if we experience a lot of games like those Bills games.
Completely agree that we should be alarmed if we see more games like the Bills game. But I don't think this roster is talented enough to be competitive all year. Unless that just means not getting blown out, in which case I agree. Look at the DL... we are a JJ injury away from having to start Michael Clemons. That's terrible DL depth. Our starting safety was awful, got hurt, and now we have a rookie starting. Our WR room is the worst in the league. Outside of OL, RB and CB (which doesn't look anywhere near as good as we thought two weeks in), we're well below average in every area.
Yeah I agree that both Harbaugh and Payton were long shots…but shit, MAKE THE CALL. Let them say no. Throw a bunch of money at them. Throw in full control, even at the expense of JD, who turned out to suck anyways. I don’t think either of them would really have come either unless the offer was REALLY good, but I do 100% believe you need to at least try. And if not those guys, McCarthy did want the job. He is a proven winning HC on the offensive side. He went to Dallas and got them to the playoffs. Whether they underachieved there or not, he got them there, which is way more than we can say. So yes, in my eyes, this franchise has needed a complete rebuild top to bottom…that starts with the front office GM, the HC, and the roster. I think we have fucked up all three. We’ve made bad hires at GMs and HCs, who in combo have made terrible draft decisions for years and years. Different guys, same results. Idzik sucked. Mac sucked. JD sucked. Let’s hope Mougey doesn’t suck. After Rex’s success, let’s see, Woody has hired Bowles, Gase, Saleh…all sucked. Let’s hope AG doesn’t suck. And then the roster, I think our drafts have been terrible overall which is why we are here. I’m not sold on Mougey’s first draft … I am ok with the first two picks but after that the 3rd round corner and 4th round receiver are question marks until proven otherwise. As for roster decisions, I didn’t like letting Reed go, and I know the talk was he wanted out but again, like above, make the fucking call. Make a good offer…good enough to make him want to stay. Shit, if AG is such the great hire, have him go and try to “sell” Reed on staying. We didn’t even try. We paid a lot of money to a bad corner as Reed’s replacement. I didn’t love the Fields signing as I don’t think he’s a good QB and I don’t think the odds of him “getting it” are very high, but I understand it if it’s really a tank year to get a good draft pick, so I can live with that and the hope that maybe there’s like a 1% chance he develops. And honestly, it’s not like there were very many good options out there. We’ll see how it all goes, but yes, I’m unhappy with the rebuild from the top all the way down….still rooting for these guys because for whatever crazy reason I still love this team, but man, it’s a hard team to love…
Eh the offensive line looks like it can be good enough for the Jets to play keep away. The ends aren’t great but we still have in theory two former All-Pros on the defense. They should show realistically be a lot stouter up the middle in stopping the run with Q and then Phillips and friends rotating along with whose supposed to be a good run stuffing LB in Quincy Williams. For whatever reason the defense has looked awful. Really the secondary has looked awful moreso than the defense as a whole. I know you can’t subtract plays but for the sake of my argument without a long Allen scramble and the long Cook run, we gave up 140 on the ground on 41 carries (3.4 YPC) which isn’t bad.
Agree our secondary has been beyond terrible Wilks looking ass after only 2 games…if this keeps up, he needs to go…still early and defense needs time to gel I guess but so far the results have been disgusting
I started a "what's wrong with the defense" thread so I'll leave most of that there. However, I will continue that...what in the fuck is wrong with Wilks? Of all the coaches, Glenn included considering this is his first go around as a HC, Wilks is THE senior guy! Been a defensive coach for almost 20 years, IN the NFL. So, what the fuck? See the rest of my rant there... Having said that, there is only one way you are getting an established guy to come to this team that has a track record of winning, ala Harbaugh or a Payton type is $$. A shit ton, a$$ load of cash. The Jets would need to pay TRIPLE what everyone else is paying AND have Johnson sign off, in BLOOD, that he will disappear from the building and not show his nasty ugly mug until the season is over. THAT is the only way. Period. About the ONLY thing they haven't tried is the up and coming OFFENSIVE minded guy. Always a first timer defense guy. Even then, I'd say they would need to throw DOUBLE at whomever. I'm sorry, it is what it is. Yeah, there may only be 32 of them but these men want to actually coach for a LONG time. How are you going to gain tenure in the league if you're coming to the NY Jets and getting your ass blow to pieces because your owner is a jack ass that thwarts you at every turn? It's a shit sandwich, I'll tell you, and EVERYONE, including the fans, are going to have to take a bite. No one gives a shit if a fan has been boo hoo'ing for 15 years. These 22 year old kids don't give a fuck. There is a LOT to overcome. Time will tell.
Well said Especially the part about a young up and coming offensive guy And then we wonder why our offense sucks balls
