I loved MC and Quincy last year, wonder what happened to them, strange. Somehow the entire team just looks way worse than last year, how could that happen? It's almost as if they aren't being coached, odd.
Q is good but is one of the highest paid DL players so you aren't going to get much in a trade when looking to move that contract as well. I expect Breece will be traded. I just pray the Jets don't burn a load of draft capital trading to bring guys in (especially a QB (unless it is a very young guy with promise)) to try to salvage this season when it is already a lost cause.
These seem to be the values we can get: https://x.com/CaliJets/status/1980784493163343907 "Trade values of #Jets players according to Connor Hughes sources: - Quinnen Williams: 2nd rd pick - Jermaine Johnson: 3rd rd pick - Will McDonald: 3rd rd pick (could be 2nd) - Breece Hall: 5th rd pick - MC2 & Quincy Williams: day 3 picks Also notes that the Jets are indeed making outgoing calls regarding Jermaine Johnson." I would not trade Q and JJ. Now, I did hear that podcast where Hughes said that the Jets made some outgoing calls on JJ, and he asked his sources (outside of the Jets) how high was the price, and was told "too high". Which means the Jets are asking 2nd or better for JJ. But for a 3d, there is just no way I would trade him. DE is probably our biggest weakness right now after QB. We have Clemons starting and McD is a specialist, not a base starter. Maybe a poor man's Huff. I remember Huff was making more difference on regular basis that McD did, but still wasn't a starter player. Basically right now we need another DE starter and a back-up to replace Clemons. if we get rid of of JJ, we need 2 starters and a back-up. I don' think a 3d round pick gets us a starter. And we would need two. I actually want to win next year. And trading JJ for a 3d to me goes against that goal, and next year he will be a year removed from Achilles. Same with Q for the second. Both are under contract for next year and Q is under contract for 2027 as well. MC2 and Quincy, if we can get something, sure, they are not coming back either way. It's just odd how bad MC2 has been since signing the contract, he looked really good before. Breece is a tough one, since I doubt he will be back next year. Free Agent, who is very good, but maybe not good enough for a franchise tag. 5th seems a bit low, but at this point if he is not back next year, I would not be opposed, as this year is a waste anyway. McD I would probably keep if the offer is 3d rounder. Pass rushers are not easy to get and if we ever get our shit together, he could become more useful in passing situations. But if we are offered a 2nd, it would be hard to say no. Just to think we could have had JSN (most fans wanted him with that pick) AND kept Huff, who is better than McD. JD is such a shit GM.
Not for anything but it’s a very deep edge class. The Jets can stack a lot of picks and rebuild the roster in one draft especially if they move down and still get a QB.
Is it possible connor hughes doesn't know anything? Quinnen Williams would fetch more than just a 2nd round pick in a trade. He has been to 3 straight pro bowls, is only 27 years old, and plays a position that multiple contending teams have a deep need for. I wonder how many people hughes has talked to when coming up with these determinations.
There’s not much precedent I can find that doesn’t net a 1st rounder for a high profile DT at QW’s age, but the ones I found respectfully are better players than Q. Right now Q is top 10 at the position and has been on the decline. It’s a valid thought to consider we may not get any offers with 1st down compensation.
We definitely need to take an Edge in the draft, and should have done so in the last draft, which was also deep, but if we trade JJ, we need 2 starters, not 1. With JJ, we just need one starter. A 3d round pick, you think that's a starter? If we might get someone who could potentially be a starter, perhaps we trade up from the 4th into the 3d (or down in the 1st round like you suggested). But to get rid of a good starter who is only 27, it's like JFM trade all over again. Granted for a lot more than JFM went (thanks for another shit sandwich JD), but 3d to me is not enough to replace. Hughes is usually well informed, has solid reputation and real sources. Now, 1st round pick for him may be possible as we get closer to the deadline, but do we really need to rush to trade him now even if there is a low 1st rounder? I am not sure if the value now would be its highest. And he is under contract for two more years, it's not like now or never type of situation. And again that's another huge hole to fill. To me, I would not rush it.
He is also the 7th highest paid DL player so you need to take that into account. He is due to get paid $26m in 2026 and $30m in 2027 which is a lot to take on (there is a potential out after 2026 but that would mean a team giving up a 1st round pick for a season and a half of production).
I think part of the problem the Jets have had is that they have burned so many resources on QBs without getting anywhere - in the last 8 years (so a time frame where many drafted players are still playing) the Jets have used: - #3 overall pick - three second round picks (to move from 6th to 3rd to get Darnold) - fourth round pick (Morgan) - #2 overall pick - fifth round pick (Travis) Even allowing for the usual hit rate you could reasonably expect to have come away from that amount of draft capital with at least 4 starters (and really at least 2 of them should be high quality starters) - instead the Jets have nothing really to show from those picks (accepting that they got a some compensation from the Panthers when trading Darnold)
It seems like every NFL team except the Jets signs mercenary defensive ends every single year. Whether it’s Joey Bosa, Yannick Ngakoue, Leonard Floyd, Dante Fowler, etc. these guys are always available. If the Jets can get a good deal for JJ, you trade him, take an edge, sign one or two of these guys and probably keep McDonald and you have your four man rotation revived. It’s a pretty extensive list. We can probably find two including a flyer on a somewhat young underperforming player like David Ojabo. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2026/position/ed Johnson’s a decent player. But he’s not some great talent. And 27 (turns 28 before next season ends) isn’t exactly young in the NFL any more. He’ll probably join the list of journey men ends that bounce around the league.
Agree 100% I don’t get this fire sale mentality … it’s like people assume that these picks will turn into better players than the ones we are trading away…have we seen how we draft? I’m not on board with creating MORE holes when we already have so many. We need a starting players at QB, WR, DE, and CB2. Those are all premium positions. We ain’t filling all of those next draft with quality players already. We just aren’t. And now we want to get rid of JJ? Then we’d need TWO starting DEs. It makes no sense. It’s fucking easy to “tear down”…it’s the “rebuilding” part that we can never get right. The only way you trade a guy like Q or JJ is if you can get the kind of deal that JD got for Adams…for 2 first rounders, then sure go ahead. But for a 2nd? Or 3rd? NO FUCKING WAY. I am so tired of this tear down rebuild shit with crappy GMs and even worse HCs. It will NEVER work. This roster is not good, but it’s not 0-7 level bad. That is on fucking coaching…because yet again we hired a newbie defensive guy because Woody is THAT kind of stupid. So no, I can understand Hall as he probably isn’t coming back…but for a 5th? That pick will be a throwaway player. If we’re lucky, that pick maybe becomes a ST guy. I am watching to see what Mougey will do and I’m also watching to see how AG does the rest of the way…Woody already pretty much guaranteed he’s coming back so I’m already pissed off, but maybe if we go 0-17 and the players and fans revolt Woody may be pressured to make a change…we’ll see
I get there are guys you can go get, but I would not trade JJ. In the games he’s been out our pass rush has been fucking invisible…already in the games he’s come back he’s made an impact with some pressures…and he’ll get better as he continues to heal. I don’t think 27 is too old so that doesn’t bother me. He is the only legit DE we have…I think we for sure have to find a starting quality DE already so McD can go back to being a situational pass rusher…I don’t want to go have to find two starting DEs…we have so many needs on this team as is…I am not a fan of making more holes unless you get premium picks in return, and JJ ain’t bringing back a first round pick.
I don't think we'll trade Hall because we have one viable RB on the roster besides him, but what exactly is the downside to trading a guy for a 5th round pick when he won't be with the team next year and all you'll get in return is maybe a 5th round comp pick in 2027 instead? If Allen wasn't hurt it would be an absolute no brainer. But because we're the Jets and we have dogshit luck, here we are.
I’ve had issues with PFF over the years but they have Quinnen Williams as the no 1. Interior defender against the run in the entire league. that might be a little high, idk but he’s certainly up there You’d have to be on crack to trade that away for a 2nd round pick. Especially at THIS deadline that features contenders with run defense challenges A new GM like Mougey can’t get fleeced on his first big trade. They will peg him as a loser in every offer from now on
That is the toughest one to decide. I mean 5th for a Breece is way too low, it's obvious. But at the same time the way Breece acted with his #Free20 posts and other stuff, I just don't think he will be back. We are not using him to full ability anyway. So, I personally would take something for him, but at the same time completely understand if we keep him as we can't get much and he is a really good player. Maybe there is a chance we can convince him to stay if there is a new coach whom he really likes, though that's a long shot.
How can you say a 5th is too low when the options are a 5th or maybe a 5th when he walks? I get that it feels like Breece should be worth more but the reality is he's due a new contract next year so any team that wants him has to give up a pick and then either lose him or pay him. So that pick isn't going to be what you think it should.
Let me ask you something. How many playoff games has Quinnen taken us to? How many quantifiable wins do you attribute to him? Like PFF or not, his overall grade is 69 and dropping. We have Quinnen through 2027, but likely either reworking or cutting him prior to 2027 given he will count 30m that year with a savings of 25m if we cut him. So realistically what is he giving us for the remainder of this year and next that makes it so worthwhile to have him around? I’ve said it time and again, you don’t sign DT’s to their 2nd contract, they never live up to it. You draft them or find the FA’s that come off their 2nd contract and still give a few good years at a cheaper rate. Every asset should be pouring into the offense while our Defensive minded expert coach coaches up the defense to play above their potential. I’d much rather go 0-17 losing 50-40 every week. Quinnen has zero use on this team now.
If three things go differently, we're talking about how we can sneak into the Wildcard and we have one of the best IDL in the league to help us get there. You don't bail on exceptional talent that easily unless you're blown away by the offer.
That’s goofy though. What IDL has single handedly taken any team to the playoffs? None that you can say so with any provable measure. The Jets need to make a decision in whatever it is that they do. If they’re going to make a franchise type of change by trading Q, they might as well strip it to the bone and trade all 4-5 of the guys on the list.
This. If you're gonna trade Q then you might as well trade WMD and/or JJ too. You don't trade the centerpiece of the front line and keep the ancillary guys on big deals (assuming they end up getting them).
