Ok, going into this season, some people think the Jets have lost some ground to the Pats from a talent prespective. That is of course, is debatable. But on thing I think the Jets have over the Pats is a better head coach. I know lots of peole are going to crusify me for this being that BB is a legend and from an accomplishment standpoint Mangini is a neophyte, but hear me out... Belichick is angry that Mangini left for one reason and one reason only. He fears him. Why else would BB get so wraped up in his hissy fit mind games like locking him out of his office and not talking/acknowleding him etc. EM is younger. This states the obvious of course. The not so obvious is that EM has more energy than the old man and he has a hunger that BB will probalby never experience again. BB has been there and done it. EM hasn't and that bodes well for the young Jedi. Just like BB was the "new generation" from the BP tree when he left NY, EM is the latest incarnation of the BP tree. He has taken everything from BP, BB and wrapped it up in sweet new flavor ready made for the Pats to choke on. EM is well liked, BB is not. I am far from being a fan of "players coaches". Herm was well liked too and I could not stand him. The difference is EM is a hard nosed, driving, disciplinarian yet he has a way and a charisma about him that despiste his iron fist rule, his players like him and want to win for him. Proof is in the pudding, since EMs arrival, players and coaches have defected south. None have headed back to the north. Bottom line is that EM is in BBs head. BB knows what he is capable of and he showed it last year when he took an less talented team on the road and beat him. I think that was EMs first real taste of the sweetness that will come in surpassing NE. From an football inteligence perspective I am confident that EM can match anyting BB can produce and likely better it. It may or may not be this year that we overtake the Pats, but if things keep moving in this direction it is not a matter of if, but rather when. Hey BB...remember when you took our money and then backstabed us to leave for NE? Now you know how it feels to be betrayed. Payback is comming and your on the clock. Blow all your $$, make your final stand and then get out while you can because payback is gona be a bitch.
Mangini may ultimately turn out to be a good coach but how can you compare the two at this time? Mangini hasn't done a thing yet. Even before winning 3 SBs, BB was a tremendous defensive coordinator for numerous teams.
Reviving a moribund franchise that has just lost it's #1 star (Curtis Martin), it's most steady All-Pro (Kevin Mawae) and it's heart and soul (Wayne Chrebet) is not exactly nothing.
Thanks for stating the obvious. The thread of course involves speculation. Mangini has done some things, just not as many as BB as I stated in the thead...yada..yada..yada.
I love what Mangini did year. The Jets were clearly one of the best coached teams in football. But Belichick is one of the greatest coaches of all time. He has created a dynasty when everyone said it was impossible. He's won 3 superbowls, he's gone through the bad times in Cleveland, he's coached a won tons of big games, and he's eben involved in so many different situations. Mangini has won 10 games. Something that lots of coaches have done. And most of the stuff in your post is pure speculation, or things that don't really mean a whole lot. Mangini is younger, that doesn't make him a better coach. Energy and hunger? I don't know where you get would get the idea that Belichick is losing his. Every coach works an insane amount of hours, and every coach is hungry. I agree that Mangini is more liked by his players than BB, but I'm not sure that means anything. Whether BB's players like him or not, they clearly respect him and play hard for him. That is all that counts. And winning one game doesn't mean you are in the coaches head. Herm beat the defending champion Patriots on the road in 2002, that doesn't mean Herm was in BB's head. The Patriots have lost to a number of teams during their run, doesn't mean anything, it's one game. That one day the Jets played better than the Patriots. That's it.
I thought Mangini did great as a rookie HC, but he did have some personnel decisions that puzzled me at the time and hindsight, and my first instinct is to say that it's too early to compare him to Belichick. But I think that if BB doesn't find the end of the rainbow and have a home-run hitter under center like Brady, you have to wonder how many of his surprise personnel moves would have proven effective in the end without Brady. Belichick was run out of Cleveland on a rail, not because of failure as a coach (although I don't think you could remotely categorize him as a success pre-Brady), but mostly because of the person that he is. He is unbearable without success; so while he may be a brilliant tactician, prior to Brady coming into the picture, I seem to remember hearing rumors that he was on his way out in New England. He is not infallable, no matter how so many people like to paint him.
That was a well written argument, although as stated above its way too early to tell. But yes the old bitter man will not renew his contract and will be out, looking for another Brady to coach and win with.
assuming you meant "troll" regarding the picture... i love love love how so many peoples' bases rely on individual posts. look at the majority of his posts. cheers
I have to agree about getting inside BBs head , I think thats a given. I will be parting with big $$$ next season that we do the double over NE ( I can hear DW laughing now) , I thought it last year and we came close , next season will do instead. The Pats games have now (for me) surpassed the Phins games in terms of rivalry etc. I don't think that BB is done , not at all , and I also don't think that this is his last season. In terms of achievment EM can't hold a candle to BB so far...but the story continues.
I'll agree with Martin (and don't forget they also lost Jordan). Mawae they let go because they felt he could no longer play at that all pro level and Chrebet was pretty much written out of the offense by Edwards the last 3 years he was active.
Mangini did a great job last year. We had no major injuries and beat 1 good team last year. While I'm very encouraged by the way we dominated teams in the trenches last year, I'm not ready to say Mangini is the best coach in the division. Give me until the second preseason game to go there.
Yeah, people forget that we may have set a record for fewest games missed due to injury (I don't know if they keep stats on that). Highly unlikely we will be so lucky again. That and one of the easiest schedules in the league should have made for some success. With this years' schedule if he can win 9 games (maybe even 8) I will become a believer.
Although some have valid points.. But how in the world do you know who is in who's head? Do you know BB personally, he told you this? Cmon.. get a grip... I am a EM fan, and the truth test to measure if he's a good, great, or shitty HC is this upcoming season.. Tougher Schedule, Injuries, Coles BS, and the second go around with NFL teams.. There is a full season of tapes that teams can look at now, so no more surprises .. I do think he'll be a good HC, but right now it's just way too early to say ...
supersonic, i suggest you go repost this on a few football forums in the general football section. i think your post and you yourself would end up the laughing stock of all homer/idiot poster of the century award. there's nothing wrong with having high expectations and hopes for our coach, but it's completely a$$nine to compare a first year coach to a guy that will go down as one of the greats. your post has made you look like an a**!!!!!!
From cold eyed staring to bear hugging to not being able to mention the err err coach of the Jets name. I couldn't think how we would think that EM is not in BBs thoughts
The only thing I can say is this...4 sb rings to none...now that out of the way...Mangini is an EMERGING STAR amongst NFL head coaches, along with Sean Payton who I do NOT think should have gotten C.O.Y. over Mangini, but anyways. Mangini has a way to go and the reality is that BB even though I think he is a little b**** has even surpassed HIS mentor (BP) in the SB rings column. Mangini is yet to prove he's the better of the 2 HC and that was evident by how our beloved JETS got smacked around in last years playoff game. I believe in the pantheon of coaching history whether its with the JETS or another team, the way this guys mind is, he will surpass BB in greatness but at this point unfortunately BB goes down with the great HC's of all times, the Knolls, Lombardi's, Walshes, for what he's done since taking over that team But the future is VERY BRIGHT for Mangini and what he accomplished last season with a team that was supposed to rebuild is nothing short of amazing.
He acknowledged that Bellicheck has accomplished a lot more and gave good, solid assets that Mangini has and Bellicheck does not. Did you even read the post or you just went right to insults (by the way, you are a $&#*ing #&*@@&#*).
BB has made only one good decision in his entire NFL carreer. Keeping Bledso on the sidelines after he came back from injury and sticking with the new kid (Brady something). Many coaches would have put Bledso back in (Herm).
