I think there are people here with different notions as to what exactly constitutes a player busting in the draft, so let's see where we stand. 1. A player that doesn't live up to the draft position, but remains a starter for the team for contract duration. This is a first round draft pick only. This can be a player traded up for, or a player just drafted too high, and never produces as an elite first rounder. I.E. Bryan Thomas never lived up to his first round draft status, and Dewayne Robertson was aquired with 2 1st rounders. Do you consider them busts? And if so, do you also consider Chad Pennington a bust? 2. A non-starter. This is a player that is draft high and does produce for the team, but isn't the guy they drafted him to be. Can be rounds 1-3, and may produce greatly on STs and as a rotation player, but isn't good enough to start on a regular basis. A glorified depth player. I.E. Derrick Strait. 3. A roster spot waste. This is a player that never makes it off the Special Teams roster (and sometimes doesn't even remain a Sts) and doesn't even play out his rookie contract. I've seen players selected in rounds 1-3 considered busts for this reason, I.E. Anthony Schlegel.
Here is how I define the word bust when it comes to professional sports.... A player who did not live up to the expectations of where they were picked for THAT team. Guys like Leonard Davis and Thomas Jones are BUSTS, because they both came nowhere near the expectations that was expected. BUT that doesnt mean they are a waste as Thomas Jones has done a nice enough job in his stint in CHI and in the 1 year with NYJ and Leonard Davis seems to have gotten things together in Dallas. But they still are considered busts for the rest of their careers because they did not play well for the team that took them in the draft. Brett Favre you can say is a bust, as he did not live up to the expectations ATL had when they took him in round 2. He could not impress the coaches and take the job by the hold.
IMO, anyone given a immense sum of cash when they sign on to their new job and don't perform equal to the cash they are given is a bust. So if the Jets paid me 10 Million up front before i worked an hour in the office as a GM, and i didn't bring us to at least 2 AFC Championship games and 1 SB (win or lose)-- i didnt do my job. Same thing with Draft Picks. But.. i belive all 1st rounders should have some sort of above average impact on a squad, plus 2nd rounders should also come in and play fairly well either later in the year they were drafted (Harris) or the next year after (Randy Thomas)... 3-7 can take up to 2-4 yrs to develop, and anything above average from them is more than welcome (Kerry Rhodes ) To me it has to do with the money given out. Thats why the draft system is flawed as well.
Draft status alone yes, but Farve was kind of hated in ATL and it was for only his rookie year that he was there. He was then traded and became Farve once he got on the field, 4 games into the 1992 season.. Since he's a 2nd round pick, i feel it takes 1-2 yrs for them to develop, so he developed in the amount of time it takes for his draft position to develop. In one years time, he hit his "draft status ability" and became way more than expected.
Add a category for players who are paid like superstars but perform like average players. That's also a bust from the standpoint of the drafting team. Typically you can't resign them either when the contract is up because they cannot accept such a stepdown in pay from their current team.
Yea he didnt get a fair share in ATL but he didnt give management much to look forward too supposedly which is disappointing even as a 2nd round pick. Clemens gave us something to look at even in his 1st year at least, Favre simply didnt work in ATL. He was however possibly, the best trade/pickup GB has ever done in its franchise history though. Still doesnt change that he never impressed in his lone year as a Falcon.
Even though he gave them nothing, i wonder if given an extra year to develop he might have become what he was for ATL instead of GB... i believe it takes 2nd rounders 1-2 years to mold into good/great NFL players. In his 2nd year, he became great... so if ATL kept him for one more year, would he have been the great QB he was for ATL?? I think it was good drafting on Atlantas part, but not good FO management.
anyone whose performance differs significantly from what you would expect of a player drafted at a given draft position, and paid that way.
So can we say Troy Aikman was a bust too? He had a terrible first year going 1-15. I know he came back n won a few super bowls but like Favre, he did'nt impress the CS in his first year. I have no idea why Atl let Favre go. Yr1 for QB is PreK. Chances are, you're not gonna ace the playbook and the game in your first year. No one expects you to do well in the first year. Atl was a fool to let him go. I dont think it had anything to do with his 4 attempts in his first yr.
yep. About Favre..... Ron Wolf , who wanted to draft Favre when he was working for the JETS, but they had no 1st rd pick (Rob Moore supplemental) was hoping to get him in the 2nd (but our luck ATL bastages got him a pick before and they drafted the great Browning Nagle :shit: ........ Wolf moves on to the PACK, then offers ATL a FIRST round pick for a player who they drafted in the 2nd and hadn't even played. They thought it was a no brainer..... at the time........ :shit: Great play * I'm not positive, but I think this is how it went down. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I'd actually consider that the first option, since any player draft in the first round is going to be paid like a superstar regardless of how good they are.
That is the exact story... Ron Wolf was convinced that Farve was going to be what he is today and was 100% correct.
The internet is an amazing thing. I can't remember having conversations pre-2000 with football fans regarding player salary at all, even though it was Salary Cap Era. It was always draft position versus performance.
Some who cant crack the lineup. Or is taken out of the lineup within 3 years. There were many busts but considering someone whos only been in the league 3 years, unless they are out of the league. *Charles Rogers * Is just ludacris.
Quote: "...A player that doesn't live up to the draft position, but remains a starter for the team for contract duration. This is a first round draft pick only..." Once the trigger is pulled the CS and the FO's responsibility changes. They must find ways to enhance the player's strengths and repair his weaknesses. They will have to find a position that he can play that supports this or else (if it's a new regime) trade him right away before he has been a round peg in a square hole long enough to inspire unwarranted criticism, and therefore deteriorate his value. If there is no new regime and the regime that drafted him puts the player in a bad position and doesn't find a way to enhance his strengths -- the team has busted the player. If he gets all those advantages and still never shows up, then that is an authentic bust. Long answer to a short question? When you pay too much you raise the stakes big time. The Draft economic system has GOT to be changed.
