The word bust is thrown around WAY too often. Than again...jets fans want every fist round pick to be a super star...otherwise they're a huge bust and the given gm should be fired on the spot.
We just want some impact players from the guys we draft with our 1st pick, like the other 31 teams... is that so much to ask. Not every player needs to be an all-pro HOF, but i'd be nice to have some players that garner respect around the league.
The thing is....everybody talks about how D rob is a bust...(ANd he's just one example) But guess what? He's VERY well respected around the league. Go on some other message boards and despite his knee condition and hefty price tag...ALL these fans want him playing DL for them. Watch NFLN and listen to Sirius radio....most experts speak very high about him. Everybody points to the picks we traded forhim and his price tag..but everyone forgets the demand these "Elite" DT's had back than draft wise. Look at guys like Gerard Warren, Wendell Bryant, Hell teams were FIGHTING up to the podium for Ryan Sims! RYAN SIMS! When you compare D rob to those guys...he's a MILLION times better. Unfortunately his selection/contract was a sign of the times in the NFL. Everyone wanted the next Warren Sapp.And if you take a look at the journeymen/ instability we had at the position before him...maybe he in some way was WORTH the 2 high draft picks. Just think: Shane Burton, Tom Barndt,Chester Mcglockton, Josh Evans, Ernie Logan, Rick Lyle,Erik Howard...the list goes on and on...I'll take D rob over all of them. He gave us 5 years of at least SOMEWHAT stability. People don't think about this though. All they see is a guy that was supposed to be a superstar and b/c he's not...he's " D slob" and "D Bust".
Well nice to see someone else with this opinion. D-rob is not a bust. Was he worth the #4 spot? no probably not, but really in my eyes he is the second best DT from his draft behind Ty Warren, that tells me he was worthy of a top 10 pick. being the second best at the DT spot when the NFL was searching for the next Sapp and everyone wanted to find him, tells me we made out all right. I still wish we could have taken Andre Johnson... But D-rob has not been a bust at all. not worth the money, but not a bust.
Theres a few: 1. First and foremost, any first round pick who isn't a perennial Pro Bowler. 2. Any first round pick not a Pro Bowler by season 3. This is a sign that he'll probably never be anyone in this league, because only Pro Bowlers, All-Pros, star QBs/RBs/WRs/DEs, 3. If a DE: >10 sacks a season. 4. If a QB: The only way this QB isn't a bust is if his team wins the Super Bowl or he's not a perennial All Pro or Pro Bowler. Theres probably more, but I'm tired...
The build-up that agents use to create draft positions and contract terms is fair and reasonable in the world of business. The problem is, as fans, we cannot countenance reason when it defeats our chosen teams!
Your facial expressions are able to express reason? I can't do that with my face... my thoughts maybe- but not my face...
I'm amazed how many people consider a bust to be someone who merely doesn't live up to their draft position. I've always thought that 'bust' was the most severe criticism of a player and reserved only for those that simply don't actually belong in the NFL. Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Akili Smith - these are the sort of players I would consider busts. On the Jets, Blair Thomas would have to be considered a bust even though he looked promising for a year or two. D-Rob is a disappointment so far, but not a bust. Describing all disappointing players as busts robs the word of its power. What word are you going to use for someone who really implodes once he reaches the NFL?
Great thread, refreshing. Here's a question. If Drob or Dbrick is a bust then what was Ryan Leaf? I've always kinda of viewed a 'bust' as someone who 'busted' out of the league. Ryan Leaf, Brian Bosworth, Lawrence Philips. Thats as bad as it gets, and I thought a bust was the worst possible scenario.
I'm w/ you 100%. Bust is used for guys that were astronomically bad picks, after having a ton of hype. If you're a productive starter but not a star...perhaps you're a dissapointment..but not a bust. But tell that to a bunch of angry Tri-staters who havent seen their team win a super bowl in over 35 years.:breakdance:
Well, it also has another meaning: " to permit or tolerate: You should not have countenanced his rudeness..."
I think a lot of people are using the word "bust" to express their anger at all the wasted money and opportunity when a high draft pick doesn't deliver value on the field. Apart from the gamble of the CS / FO choosing the guy, a the market's economic insanity can easily convert a simple mistake to a fiscal disaster for the franchise for years. This rookie pay system has got to be changed.
I agree with you in general, but if I recall correctly the Boz's career was ruined by major injury. That begs a question - do you consider a player whose career is cut short by major injury to be a bust? Another great example is Ki-Jana Carter. I don't know if I'd consider him a bust because he never had a chance to play because of his rookie season injury.
For me, a player is either a bust or he's not. The Carter selection did not work out at all for Cincinnati. Therefore, he was a bust. Ricky Bell ran for 1263 yards for Tampa Bay in 1979. He was a key player on that team which made it to the NFC Championship Game. Before his 30th birthday, he died of heart failure caused by dermatomyositis. He's still considered a bust.
Still a bust. It's not really a question of a players desire or ability so much as how things end up working out. Some guys get drafted, give it there all, and still don't work out. Bosworth was a busted pick from a team standpoint because they got little to no return for that pick. A shame, yea, but still a bust.
