This kind of blowback was as predictable as a Jets' 4th-quarter meltdown. If one more person resorts to the "rebuilding" argument I might actually vomit on my monitor. "Rebuilding" doesn't require a 5-year plan in this NFL. Teams rise and fall each season. There's no theoretical master plan that would allow a team to realistically maintain dominance over the better part of a decade. You want a long-term plan? You want to fucking rebuild? Luck into a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Outside of a couple of aberrations, teams without a franchise quarterback do not make the playoffs with any consistency. It just doesn't happen. Jets fans are so fucking tortured by the heartbreaking losses over the years that they've all become completely reticent and submissive and never seem to want to go for anything. I'm convinced half of you would take an 0-16 if it meant a couple of 7th-round selections in two thousand and fucking nineteen. Get out of your fetal positions and act like fucking football fans! "Rebuilding?" You don't give significant contracts to a Kris Jenkins or Alan Faneca so the morons on TGG can pretend there's some long-term plan. These players are past their prime. They are win-now pieces. The Jets, first and foremost - like 90% of the NFL - want to win this year. "Rebuilding" is what fans say to somehow justify a losing season. It's a meaningless expression. You get as many talented players as you can each off-season and then you try to win. Outside of the absolute extreme (i.e. the Redskins selling off five picks per year), you don't have to kill the future to try and win now. The NFL moves too fucking fast to think long-term. This is not baseball. Careers do not last twenty years. This team is a quarterback away from being a legitimate contender. The defense is clearly above average, and there's plenty of talent on the other side for a competent passer, like, say, Brett Favre, to score points. So what are you people afraid of, exactly? If it doesn't work out, then is it any worse than if they rested on the laurels of Clemens/Pennington? At least they would have taken a shot. Jesus. Why are you people so afraid of trying to win? Now look, the Jets probably won't get Favre, but this whining and moaning has to stop. And please, stop pretending that losing is ok if it means a slightly increased chance at a 10-6 season in 2011.
I somehow missed this the first time through. This argument is so absurd that it doesn't even merit a response.
Thsi is for you and Abyzmul and all the others who disagree with those who don't want Favre If having Favre is so freaking incredible, why doesn't the team that he played for his entire career and was one interception away from the Super Bowl last year not want him back? I'll answer my own question - because they have a young QB that they need to see play to determine if he is good enough and because they are sick and tired of his retire/unretire act. I don't want him on the Jets because I don't think they are a Super Bowl team and I am sure that Favre will only play one year. Then, when the Pats start declining, we have to play a QB who has played 6-7 games in his career. Faneca and Jenkins are past 30, but they have a few years left. Nobody is saying to wait 5 years, but I certainly can see the Jets needing another year or two before they truly contend and before NE starts to fall off. How does Favre help? Do you honestly think that Favre puts the Jets in the Super Bowl this season? And if they don't make it, who is the QB in 2009? Do we hand the reigns over to Clemens then? And if he shows in 2009 that he is not the answer, then who is the QB in 2010 when the OL and the defense are peaking - some free agent retread or some rookie? Favre is not the answer for the Jets. I firmly believe that. I want a team that is going to contend for years. And if you and others honestly think that this team is Super Bowl ready now, then you are contradicting yourself by insisting that Clemens start over Pennington. It takes a QB 2-3 years to mature and all Favre will be doing is retard Clemens' development and add another year to the evaluation of his play. If Clemens can't lead this team, I want to find out now, not in another year or two.
1 - I have yet to read or hear anything from the Packers saying they wouldn't want him back? Last I heard McCarthy tried to talk Favre into playing another year by telling him he could put in 85% of the time he usually puts in. 2 - I do believe that if the FA's work out well and we stay relatively injury free that this team could win a superbowl with Favre. 3 - Would you honestly be upset if we won the superbowl with Favre in 2008 and he retired? Because we don't know if Clemens can be the guy? I could give 2 shits about that if we won the superbowl. 4 - The only way this team would be able to reach a superbowl NOW is if either we signed a big time QB like Favre, or Clemens broke out and played outstanding. Pennington would never-ever be in that mix.
Quoting a post generally implies that you have made an attempt to discern its content. Since your rambling prattle in no way addresses any of the arguments that I made, I'll go ahead and assume that quoting mine was an accident. Meanwhile, instead of making irrelevant ad hoc arguments, let's actually look at the facts: 1) Brett Favre was one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the league last season. This is not debatable. 2) The Jets have a zero - fucking ZERO, please digest this - chance of winning a championship this season with the roster as currently constituted. 3) The Jets' chance of winning a championship with Brett Favre this season is greater than zero. Your inquiry as to whether Brett Favre guarantees a 2008 Super Bowl run is, honestly, pretty fucking dumb. If Favre guaranteed a 2008 Super Bowl, I'd give up every first round pick the Jets have from now until Arma-fucking-geddon. Meanwhile, I hate to break it to you, but while Clemens is no means assuredly a bust, the probability is that he is not going to be an above-average quarterback in this league. No matter who plays this season, the Jets are probably shopping for a passer in about eight months. I want a team that is going to contend for years. No shit, Sherlock. I'm pretty sure every fan in the history of modern sports would like that. I'm pretty sure all thirty-two teams are trying to accomplish this. Unfortunately - and I hate to break it to you - cogent mathematical analysis assures me that since every team is going to go ahead and try to accomplish your brilliantly original plan, most of them are going to end up failing. Over a long enough period, nearly all of them. I'll say this one more time. In the NFL, unless you have an absolute top tier quarterback, you will not make the playoffs each season. It simply will not happen. Stop pretending it's possible. By the way: Kellen Clemens is not going to be a top tier quarterback. Even if he figures out that those 300-pound linemen are not running up to him to request an autograph - and I have my doubts that he will - his ceiling is 2nd-3rd tierish. That's not worth giving up an opportunity - which is what Favre clearly presents, despite your anecdotal incoherent assertions otherwise - to really compete. There will be about 10 Kellen Clemens's available next off-season.
Brett Favre could retire, lose me my job, my apartment, and possibly one of my parents and I wouldn't give two shits if he delivered a Super Bowl. He could join fucking Al Qaeda for all I care. Exactly. The goal is a championship. The goal is the Bowl. Nothing else.
Mr. Abyzmul, I can't fathom to which you refer. I have never been banned. Just because I have an archaic old-fashioned red-neck sense of manners, doesn't mean that a capella Brooklynese makes no impact on me. Still and all, I appreciate ya'll folks. Even though the short attention span of attention deficit disorder is folly in my opinion.
But, I would say, Mr. Abyzmul, that Brett's overreaching last year was highly entertaining, but hardly inspiring for his future. Where is the eagerness to cast aside Aaron Rodgers for another five seasons? Where are the various folks that should be arriving down in MS to make the case? If Brett was what GB is looking for to keep, where is GB's campaign for same? Ain't there, and all the goober peas have done been slopped out there to the hogs by Brett's minions.
Quote: "...The only way this team would be able to reach a superbowl NOW is if either we signed a big time QB like Favre, or Clemens broke out and played outstanding. Pennington would never-ever be in that mix..." Well, Mr. Whiteshoeswillie, my feeling is you are assuming a great deal. Who is the OL? What is their performance relative to the other folks fighting with them on the line of scrimmage and their own RBs...? Brett had the decided advantage of a pretty damned good running attack yesterday that conjugated his 28 touchdown passes down the middle of the deep field. I believe Mr. cast-off Ryan Grant did pretty goldarned good behind that GB line last year. So, where the hell is our own smash-mouth 6-yards-and-a-cloud-of bloody-dust tradition, Sir? We're still trying to pursue it, I hear. Now, who is it we are regularly stopping from stomping all over our ass...? Which offenses have we stopped stunned in their tracks? Another goal. When the NYJs get their act together, then those white satin shoes of renoun will once again be in high demand...I'm sure.
Dear Fourthandlong, I can't tell from your post what you're quoting and what you're saying about it...?
Dear Fourthandlong, I am going to try and interpret the fog here... Those folks that don't believe that a QB requires 3 to 4 years to find his stuff are ill-informed. The fact that a QB EVER is given the chance to mature and figure out what it is he can do well is a miracle in a lot of patientless ownership circles. The fact that fans are losing their resolve and jumping on the instant gratification bandwagon (when they don't even have any fucking money to reinforce their bigotry..!?) is kind of stone cold stupid. It goes to show you the deleterious effect that middlebrow TV is having on the great unwashed.
Farve would not be a bad pick up. In fact it would benefit Cleamens . He could learn a whole different avenue of the game. But it could turn out like Joe Montana as well. It's like a coin toss. Short term deal 2 years max .
Ha ha ha!!! I AM RIGHT!!! YEAH YEAH YEAH! Thanks so much to fellow poster FOURTHANDLONG, and everyone else on this thread:
Dear Lick Chad and Clemens, A pipe dream of a broken down Favre and Clemens compared to a broken down Chad and Clemens is still an up grade of the position on this team.
