First off just a bit off topic but when you guys say he's 39 do you mean that's old for a football player or just old? I'm rounding on to 35 and everybody acts like 39 is father time. I agree that brett has never been a big deep ball passer. Although it seems like most tend to believe that he is. Most of his passes for GB were quick slants for 5 or so yards. Granted those slant passes had some serious zing on them. On one hand i have seen Favre make plays in the past where he has shaken off 3 defenders, dropped down to one knee, spun around, ran out of the pocket and zipped it downfield for 40 yards and a TD(wish i could remember what game that was). On the other hand i've seen him throw bombs to noone, and int directly to the other team. I'll never get sick of watching him play but this year, it's not so much that he can't throw well, it's that he still looks uncomfortable like he can't figure out why there's no green and gold on the field, and he moves around kind of stiff and robotic. Anyone else notice his body motions seem to be the opposite of fluid. And for F**k sakes Favre if your already flushed out of the pocket and you have the chance to run it for the first stop throwing the damn ball.
i agree. it's like he has to think about everything he's doing before he actually does them. he does not look comfortable most of the time. i still think it will get better with time, especially as Keller improves. hopefully the WR's will step it up (Cotchery, Coles, Clowney, or anyone) and everything clicks at the right time.
lol - I wish I could make it nice and crisp like yours but I just did a printscreen on the youtube video and pasted it into paint. I dominate at paint.
Had no issue with such passes as recent as last season, and I can't fathom that age really affected him that quickly. A few things I think are detering. 1. New Team, new players. 2. The Jets WR's are not nearly as open as the GB ones are. Just watch the two teams this year, just teh WR's. GB's get a lot of seperation all over the field, even our slow guys (Ruevell Martin, James Jones, heck driver is often considered slow), yet all three of those guys get seperation. Even Donald Lee get's good seperation. That i think is the difference. Touch passes require A LOT of anticipation. The QB and WR must be on the same page. If they are not, then the touch pass turns into a INT. Touch passes 20+ yards especially require this. I don't think Favre and the Jet's WR's have been on the same page all year, even when Favre had good games. Favre wants the WR's to do one thing, the WR's wnat favre to do another. Of course, Coles ego doesn't help, as he thinks favre must do everything he wants to do, not the other way around. Sad, really. I think he has that touch, just not the chemistry to put touch on the ball. Touch, with bad chemistry, equals a lot of bad looking floaters.
I could not agree more. I don't think one year made that much of a difference on his arm. I think he feels the pressure to play well after the retirement/trade spectacle and that he wants to finish with a playoff/superbowl win especially after how close they got last year. The WR's for new york are just different than the ones he had in GB over the years. I think about like this. Imagine being at your job for 16 years(same company) you could probably multitask your ass all over the place and feel confident about what your doing. Now imagine changing companies just before retirement. Even 4 months into it, you may know what to do, but doing it won't be as fluid as your last job. Especially if the copy guy prints you 25 copies when you really needed 50, and that guy in Human Resources thinks the company should run through him. And your boss can't plan your day for shit even after a lunchtime break.
Great analogy. I've been saying it all season: The jets wr's are not as good at route running as the one's favre had in GB. Seriously, when a guy as slow as Ruevell Martin can get seperation, yet a guy who is apparently more skilled in Coles struggles in this regard... you begin to wonder. Obviously it's not all on the wr's. bad throws, horrible play design, combined with terrible consistency in the offensive gameplan leads to al ot of issues. Favre obviously likes that slant pass, so where the hell is the slant and go? Are the jets's wr's not capable of faking the slant and going deep? It's run like a slant, look back at QB, stop, like the ball is coming, then turn and go, as the defender goes flying by trying to get a jump on the slant. With favre's pump fake, it's always been a great play for him. But, where is it? Heck, it took 8 games into the season before the coach even decided to PUT the slant pass in as a bread and butter play. The question is, using your analogy for how things are being ran and then tossing favre in: Is HE good enough to overcome these issues when it matters? In the two biggest games of the season, he was able too. We just need to win no matter what this week, ugly, dominating, we just need a W. Then? It's big game after big game from here on out. Starting with Miami, which could be a playin, meaning it is virtually the start of the jets playoffs. Then? At home against somebody. Then, as it stands, possibly a trip to tennesee, where if the players can't get up for, and have confidence in that e4nviroment after earlier this year, I just don't know what else you could do. So, if the jets beat them again? AFC title against somebody. Then sueprbowl. We know how it goes. So, is he good enough to overcome it time and time again in big games? Big buisness situations? Because, if the jets want to win it all, he'll have to come up big 5 consecutive games. That is a lot to ask with how the company is compiled.
guys, he has been our quarterback for close to a full season now, do you not think when he makes that comment its not with a bit of sarcasm. Every sound bite from him is riddled with sarcasm. Of course he can't throw it like he used too who can, as mentioned earlier though he through a couple incompletions in the 49er game that were ridiculous, the deep ball the other day he was hit immediately after he threw it and could not step into it. To start saying he throws with the same velocity as Chad pennington is ridiculous.
In my opion the Top 2 hardest throwing QBs of all time are: #1 Vick (holy shit he threw hard!) #2 Farve
Is he good enough? Yes. Is it going to happen? Maybe I think the coaching staff needs to come up with some different passing patterns than what they have been using. Screens work sometimes, but they have been overdoing them to be effective. If it's third and 9 a screen pass isn't a good choice when you've been using it all game. Fake slant and go would be great. Might even get some seperation with it. Mostly this season has been screen, run , run. Run, screen , 3 yard slant. Run, 2 yard slant, run, and then my favorite 4th and inches = hail mary?? What? Who called that play. One thing i would really like to see and i know people are gonna flame me for this, but i'm not seeing alot of qb protection. When your qb is 39 i think it's important for the pocket not collapse instantly. If he wasn't hurried so much i think he would pick his shots better. Better passing plays + mangini actually making halftime adjustments + Qb protection + sticking with what's working (pass or run plays) = playoff / superbowl. More of the same = barely squeeking by a W or looking like we did against denver.
First of all, I'm sorry Mr. Favre isn't a packer anymore. I'm happy for you that every single one of your WRs "get a lot of seperation all over the field"... even your "slow guys", but, really, our WRs are just fine. They're probably not on the same level as #1's on other teams around the league, but they have good speed, good hands and can get open. I agree chemistry and familiarity play into how he has played, but chemistry has nothing to do with putting touch on the ball. Coles might run his mouth, but he has been a captain on the team, he's a veteran, and he seems like a passionate team player. Also, Favre got knocked down a lot earlier in the season and hurt his shoulder in Arizona. I'm not saying that's the primary reason he's been off, but it looks like it could have been a factor since he hasn't played quite the same since. If you want to talk Jets football, take off your Packer goggles, sit down and watch them play. Otherwise shut the fuck up. I'm sick of Packers fans talking shit about a team they know nothing about.
Don't be a hater. and btw... Dark Knight WAS a great movie. Take off your goggles and realize that Heath Ledger had an awesome performance in that movie.
Are you on crack? Vick over Favre for throwing it hard!!!! I will give you that Vick was better at scrambling and running the ball. He was also better at dropping the jumper cables on little ole Lassie, but that's besides the point. Favre in his prime, heck even last year, threw the ball a 100x harder (with accuracy) than Vick. In his prime, it's on record that favre threw a 94 MPH pass in a game. That's pretty damn hard. I can't believe someone just compared Vick to Favre.
Yeah I'm angry. I've got fuckin finals tomorrow I'm studying for and I take a break, come here and read that crap. And that's cool, TDK wasn't terrible, but I really didn't care for it.
I think there was a time in his career that they actually had to tell him to stop throwing 10 yard outs so hard because they were to diffacult to catch.
He made some huge throws in the SF game. The pass he referred to with that comment on Sunday was one in which he couldn't step into because the defender was in his face. What he was probably saying was that in his youth he could have thrown it 60 yards off his back foot falling backwards and now he can't. Big fuckin deal.
