I'm getting the feeling it's not the starting part. I'm thinking that he's been on the bench more often than not, so basically what you have is a 4 year rookie. With what we've seen, there doesn't "appear" to be much upside. So if Sanchez is playing at the same level, and he's our future, why not start with your future rookie as opposed to the rookie of the past? Sanchez will take a beating, more than likely, but so will KC.
Oh I agree, if both are playing at the same level, start Sanchez. The quicker he gets experience the better.
I think the fact that we have a very complex offense and a rookie QB with very little experience says plenty about being worse off. What do you want? Do you want Schotty to dumb down and limit his offense for the third year in a row? I think that hurts the entire offense, not just the QB situation. We went into last season with a fraction of the playbook being used, and if we start Sanchez, it's going to be even worse than that.
I agree to some degree, but at the same time no matter how long Sanchez sits on the bench, he's going to have his rookie season. Why prolong it? Get it over with now, even with a scaled back book. What's the point of having a full assault of plays that can't be executed by KC? Maybe he needs the playbook scaled back.
I understand what you are getting at, but I just don't agree. We need to know if Schotty is the real thing here. You keep forcing him to cut his playbook, you keep giving him more excuses. First it's Chad's weak arm to scale back the playbook. Then it's the offensive line and Kellen's inexperience. Then it's Favre coming in 3 weeks before the season starts. Now it will be a rookie QB who has 16 college starts. I want to see what Schotty can do with a healthy guy who has been in his system for a few years and has a great running game and an excellent O-line to protect him. The other thing is... unless Clemens is truly a worthless bum at QB, how does this play into the Win Now philosophy that Rex is preaching? How does starting Sanchez 2 weeks before the season starts give this team the chance to win now? If you truly believe that they are going to start Sanchez now... then you are effectively saying that Rex is full of shit and just preaching nonsense. And if you're doing that, how can you have any confidence in Rex at all?
I read something this morning regarding Clemens that told me all I really need to know at this point. I haven't been happy with his INT's or his general lack of accuracy at all. That's always been the knock on him. The article was describing how they had a drill in practice where they were simulating the end of a game so the QB had to try to score by throwing it in the end zone. Two of three of Clemens' passes went out the back of the end zone. That's not really that surprising, but supposedly he told Ryan that he wasn't trying to throw it out the back of the end zone on those throws. The guy just seems to have really horrible accuracy. For a fourth year player, his accuracy should have improved over time, but it's almost like it's getting worse with time. Edit: Found the article http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/08/news_and_notes_from_day_10_of.html
I'm all for seeing if Schotty is going to shit the bed or not. I'm not entirely sure I care as much though. To be honest, I'm not sold on Ryan yet. He talks a great game, he has history and pedigree, and that's all great stuff. You being a Jet fan know as well as I do, that all that stuff is bullshit until he produces wins and shows he's a better HC than his old man. As for the win now thing, I think he'll say that every single year he's a coach, just because ....
so what is Sanchez limits the playbook? Wouldn't he learn it faster using it first-hand? It's not like starting clemens will expand the playbook, miraculously bringing us to the playoffs. If we have the plays and don't have the Qb it doesn't matter if the playbook is expanded. If he can't throw the damn ball he can't play on this offense successfully.
That we can agree on. I don't see how anyone can be sold on Ryan at this point. The only thing that sells me as a Jets fan anymore is wins, and business has been poor. He talks a good game, but so did your favorite Snake Oil Salesman. But I just don't see how his 'Superbowl' brags and sleights to division rivals can be anything but bluster if he's going to start a rookie QB out of the gate.
You don't really need a miracle to know that a QB that knows the playbook expands it further than a guy with no professional experience and little college experience.
It's not that Clemens has horrible accuracy or anything... after 4 years of being on this team the guy has a great spot picked out on the bench and he just doesn't want anyone stealing it from him. Yeah, that's it! :smile:
Yep. If we start Sanchez, we all need to accept the fact that we're likely not competing this season. Ryan and Flacco may have broken the mold last year, but they were very different QBs as far as experience at the college level, and came into teams that were more loaded on defense (in the case of the Ravens) and at receiver (in the case of the Falcons). Again, I can't say what the best situation would be at this point until I see them both play in the preseason, but as of right now I'm disappointed by what I'm hearing.
