Nope. Herm took 2 years to even be ready mentally to start a QB that was not an aged veteran. Even while Vinny was throwing passes to the people sitting in the third row.
Please Sanchez has so much to learn your going to tell me Penny has nothing to teach him. Hes played 1 season.
I'm sure Pennington could teach him quite a bit, but one key thing I wouldn't want Penny to teach him is how to play SOOOOO conservatively. Yea, he needs to play more conservative, but Penny is far to conservative. In other words, I don't want Sanchez to play like a pussy.
I think the whole reason that Chad's play was conservative was because Hackett had identified his physical limitations and taught him to be a game manager. I doubt that Chad was conservative by choice - he knew his limitations until the Jets hired an aggressive playcaller in Schotty who wanted a more dynamic passing game than Chad was physically able to provide at that point. If Chad is as smart as I think he is, I doubt he'd be schooling Sanchez in the old DinkNDunk. I like Chad Bashing as much as the next guy, but I'd be lying if I said I thought there was nothing that Chad could teach a young QB.
I haven't read all 5 pages so this might have been said already but Pennington actually threw downfield quite a bit at Marshall (largely due to the fact that Randy Moss had everyone beat by 7 yards). I would agree that the Jets staff at the time realized that he was somewhat limited by NFL standards and molded him and the offense to adapt to these limitations. I also think that Pennington was forever changed from a mental standpoint after the 2002 playoff loss to the Raiders when his arm strength was very definitively exposed on deep breaking routes. Simply put, Sanchez needs to find a happy medium and I don't know about y'all but I kind of like having a quarterback with a bit of a gunslinger mentality (that started to pay off in the playoffs - not so good during regular season) after a decade of dink 'n dunk.
If you are implying that Sanchez won those games with great QB play you would be wrong..... the Defense and running game won those games.... I am a fan of Sanchez but your comparison to his 1st year and Penningtons 1st year is laughable...
Actually Vinny was 32-16 as a starter coming into the 2002 season with two playoff appearences in three seasons and one near-miss in Week 17, so there was no reason to bench him for an untested kid. When that time came in Week 4 Herm made the move and it worked.
Yeah, no reason except his accuracy was fucking terrible, and he was as mobile as a dead turtle. He was never the same after 1999. He gave Chrebet like 4 concussions with those pathetic passes.
He was the same as every other year but 1998 when he had a Hall of Fame year, the rest of his career he was solid but erratic. Bottom line is he was winning games at a clip never seen before or since for the Jets so they weren't taking him out until that ended. Same reason they weren't taking Chad out for Clemens, NFL coaches don't bench guys who win games for unproven QBs until the first guy gets hurt, stops winning games or both. Fans always think the backup is ready, coaches do this for a living, they can't all be wrong.
Yeah, except Herm has a track record for keeping aged or ineffective veterans in the starting lineup and giving them almost all of the reps, when they are far past the point of being effective. He did it with Mo Lewis, Vinny, McCareins, Curtis, etc. Herm was definitely wrong in most of those cases. If he had had bigger balls, the Jets would have won more games with a younger lineup.
In some of those cases you're right, but I don't know how you can argue with his handling of the QB job, it couldn't have been done any better. He inherited Vinny off of 13-2, injury, 9-7, and went 10-6 and to the playoffs with him going into 2002. Then he won the opener, lost a few and made the move to Chad, who rescued the season and won the divison + a playoff game. So you have a rookie head coach coming in that managed to make the playoffs his first two seasons including winning the division, while changing the reigns at QB from a popular, established veteran who had the best record at QB of anyone in franchise history. I'm not sure what the gripe is there.
Probably because you're thinking like Herm, a diplomat, and not like an aggressive coach who wants to win. Vinny may have been popular with a large portion of the fanbase, but he was coming off of a 21-TD/25-INT season in which he got his ass handed to him in the final game with the playoffs on the line. He was also a terrible fit for Hackett's offense, which demanded accuracy over arm strength and the poise of a game manager, not a gunslinger. Herm kept a guy that was a terrible fit for the offense under center and made excuses why he wouldn't start Pennington - he was even making those excuses going into the 2002 season, when a lot of Jets fans were screaming to bench Vinny. He had a good opportunity to make the change in 2001, an even better chance at it starting 2002, and the only reason he switched QBs was that Vinny got hurt and Chad came in playing gangbusters. He was afraid of making a mistake. And that is always how he coached - afraid of mistakes. It's also why he made Chad take a knee against the Steelers. Herm will always be more of a politician than a Head Coach. Delegate authority and pump out the sound bites.
Vinny was winning games, he wasn't perfect but 2000 wasn't all his fault. After the Keyshawn trade he was throwing to Chrebet and a bunch of rookies, albeit including Coles but he wasn't that good yet, and let's not forget Jumbo Elliott in that great WR corps he had. That was as much on Groh at the end of 2000, and of course John Hall missing the kick that would have put us in the playoffs. If not for Vinny pullng a couple of games out of nowhere we aren't even in the race. In the game you referenced Vinny put a quick 14 up on the Raven D that most other teams couldn't make a dent in all the way through the Super Bowl. Again, you're arguing against a guy who made the playoffs his first two years and executed a delicate QB change in the process. He won 10 games with Vinny in 2001, whether or not you personally liked the fit, and the playoff game at Oakland Vinny played well. The move to Chad was the perfect timing, in hindsight you can say it should have been done earlier but nobody knew going in what Chad was going to be. As long as Vinny was able to win games he was going to play, he ended up starting games for a few more years elsewhere after leaving the Jets, so obviously Herm wasn't the only coach who thought he could still play.
