Sanchez's caution a sign of maturity

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  1. Lynkx

    Lynkx Active Member

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    Are you sure it wasn't because his throw hit Greene in the hands and he didn't catch it?
     
  2. jaywayne12

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    Not sure about the first point Mam...that offense looked exactly like what we have seen 90% of the time..unless our backs up are against the wall..then you see an offense run by 95% of the rest of the league. Using your slot receivers...hitting your tight end downfield against the safety. Not using your tight end like you are playing a back yard touch game "go 5 steps and turn around".

    Thats the reason I totally agree with your second point. If Hackett were to get pregnant and have a child...it would be schotty. I see no difference in this offense the last 10 years.

    I usually try not being negative but its getting real old...too fast. I dont get the usage of DK.

    This offense is best when we are desperate and down. Why teams are still able to line up 8 or 9 guys in the box is the OC's fault. There is no reason with this O'line we should struggle so much at times to run the ball...with the weapons we have had the last couple years.

    I will give it this year...but something tells me not much will change..unless you see Moore become more involved with the plays..if not the playcalling.
     
  3. JCotchrocket

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    Here's the thing about a true ground-and-pound offense: the first half of games are going to be miserable, more often than not.

    People like to imagine that a g-n-p offense comes out of the gate and busts out six, seven yard runs for the duration of the game. That's just not the case. It's a whole lot of two, three-yards and a cloud of dust bullshit for a couple of quarters. It's a whole lot of chopping wood and very little fire.

    Then, in the second half, when the opposing defense is proud and exhausted, that's when those two and three yard gains turn into four and five yard gains. When that starts happening, the defense needs to compensate. And that's what opens up the passing attack.

    Sanchez was sloppy on Monday; there's no denying that. He doesn't have good chemistry with his receiving corps, and it showed. But to chastise Sanchez based on his numbers during games where he only plays the first half is to overlook the philosophy of this offense.

    It's not that "the light switches on" in Sanchez's head during second halves, or during those thrilling fourth quarters. It's that the two/three quarters of wood-chopping have allowed the offense to light a fire later in games.

    The philosophy falls apart when a) Sanchez is genuinely off his game (like last year's Miami game) or b) a poor defensive showing early has put us in a hole (like last year's playoff game against the Steelers). But for the most part, it's a sound philosophy. It's also the reason you can't judge the effectiveness of our offense or our quarterback by what they do during the first 30 minutes.
     
  4. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    I would agree thats the philosophy JC...I wouldnt agree its a sound philosophy. You points in the last paragraph are exactly why. You become a team that never goes for the jugular right off the bat. You rely on wearing down a team and then you get to a very important playoff game like the Steeler game and it all goes to crap.

    In the beginning of Sanchez, we had the exuse of protecting a rookie qb. Then we had the excuse of no weapons for our young QB. Then we went out and got Edwards and Holmes to go along with Cotch and DK. We then get LT to go along with Greene...and an offensive line rated top 5 in the league..at minimum.

    That tells me that you can do what all GREAT teams do...create run off the pass. This team and its playcalling have no concept of this..none. I blame none of it...YET...on the QB.
     
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    I would agree thats the philosophy JC...I wouldnt agree its a sound philosophy. Your points in the last paragraph are exactly why. You become a team that never goes for the jugular right off the bat. You rely on wearing down a team and then you get to a very important playoff game like the Steeler game and it all goes to crap.

    In the beginning of Sanchez, we had the exuse of protecting a rookie qb. Then we had the excuse of no weapons for our young QB. Then we went out and got Edwards and Holmes to go along with Cotch and DK. We then get LT to go along with Greene...and an offensive line rated top 5 in the league..at minimum.

    That tells me that you can do what all GREAT teams do...create run off the pass. This team and its playcalling have no concept of this..none. I blame none of it...YET...on the QB.
     
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  6. The Lord

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    Sanchez is a rapist.
     
  7. Coach K

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    :rofl::rofl:

    nothing was funnier than the steelers troll downplaying big ben and calling nacho a rapist cuz of his college incident.
     
  8. jb1095

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    After looking again, and careful review, I feel that the Jets have taken a step backwards from last year. Offensively, I think BE & Cotchery were better receivers than you currently have due to age and limited play time.

    Therefore, I feel the Jets will have to be VERY lucky(like in 09) to even make the playoffs, so I am predicting now that they will not.

    Good luck anyway.
     
  9. Jetaho

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    Great post. The philosophy will always hold him back, but within that system, Sanchez needs to improve his third down efficiency and completion percentage. If he can show modest gains there, we will see longer drives earlier in games and tired defenses before the 4th quarter. Hopefully, we can then put teams away instead of keeping it close. Late game heroics are exciting, but they will not win us the AFC East.
     
  10. AarontheJet

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    Mason is a far better receiver than Cotchery and this is coming from someone who loved Cotchery. The jury is still out on Plax, but I think it's a wash quite frankly. Braylon could never get separation and he didn't use his size the way Plax has in the past. That alone might give Plax the edge over Braylon.
     
  11. Will-I-Am-Not

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    Sanchez looks primed for a big year.
     
  12. jb1095

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    I just look at Mason who is well past his prime, he has been playing in his position for like 15 years or something crazy like that and Plax hasn't played in 2 years. I just don't see how that is better then Cotchery and Edwards. I know Mason has been great over the years, but he has declined every year since 2007 and will be lucky to see 50 receptions all year.
     
  13. Will-I-Am-Not

    Will-I-Am-Not Well-Known Member

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    Cotchery had 41 receptions last year. If we get anywhere close to 50 receptions out of Mason, our third receiver, we'll be fine.

     
  14. Hobbes3259

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    AAACK, No.

    they're only the same in that the two are utterly resistant to growth.

    If you took Hackett's short passing game, and married it to Schotty's O, you'd actually have an NFL offense, and with this crew, a top 5 offense.

    Hackett was pretty decent about getting 5-7 yards, and getting the ball out of Penny's hands.


    Those throws only looked long, because Penny's ball travels by horse and buggy.

    If the 1st qtr offense we saw in PS1, actually migrates to Schotty's playcalling, It will be hard to get this Offense off the field.

    (and It's hard not to think that Moore was brought in to help BS understand that getting the ball out in 3secs. is generally a good thing.)
     
  15. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly 3 seconds and out.
     
  16. Quinnenthebeast

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    You obviously need to turn the ESPN off. Mason is a better player than Cotch especially in the slot even at 37. Braylon is an underperforming receiver who wanted #1 WR money and is one slip up from being suspended.

    How is it that teams like the Pats are praised when they pick up Ocho Stinko and Fat Albert Haynesworth, but the Jets get bashed for getting Plaxico? Good teams know how to part ways with the good players at the right time, and the Jets are doing just that.
     
  17. skeleton_frames

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    Excellent post. That's what I was saying in the Giants game. I was thinking that Greene was really struggling but then when you looked at it, it was a >3.5 yd avg. He just leans forward and gets enough yards for it to be a useful down. And then, as we saw in the playoffs vs SD two years ago and NE last year the D gets tired and then he busts one off.

    If Sanchez doesn't turn the ball over and the D shows up, we're good.
     

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