Take this with a grain of salt, as I am a huge Revis fan, and cringe at the notion of trading him...but in my opinion, the greatest impact positions in football are QB, Pass Rusher, Left Tackle, and CB. We have a left tackle and we are not getting an impact QB or pass rusher of Revis' caliber for less than what we would pay Revis...Unless of course it is through the draft. Also, this given that Revis will be past his prime by the time this team is ready to compete...I highly disagree, corners can dominate well into their 30's and let's not forget Revis is not your average specimen. Your entitled to your opinion, but I do not believe that is a given by any stretch.
I've seen several posts downplaying the importance of CB. What are these other positions which have greater impact than a man-to-man coverage shutdown corner (aside from QB of course)? There are only a handful of these in the entire league. Every year GM's search for CB's in the first round hoping to find one. D-Coordinators drool over what they can do if they have one. The get paid high on the FA market. All for a reason.. Every team needs good CB's, and good CB's are hard to find. Elite shut down CB's are extremely rare, and very impactful on a game. The question with Revis is how much of a boatload of cash does he want...not the importance of the position or the impact he brings to a game.
Call just ended... a few good questions including some about D.Davis.. Rex says he wants some competition @ the Will LB ... don't really know how to read into that..
I love Revis, but the FO has to explore trading him. Revis wants to get paid again, and we don't have the cap room to extend him this year, let alone bear the risk of doing so when he's coming off an ACL. Keeping him here for the final year of his existing contract will cause drama, whether it's created by Revis, his agents, or the NY press, and that is sure to hurt the team. Without a QB, the best case scenario is that Revis will help us maintain mediocrity, resulting in a lower draft spot when it's time to draft a QB next year. Next year, he is a UFA, and he will go wherever he gets paid. We get nothing except a compensatory pick. It sucks, but we have no choice.
Did we really learn anything that we did not already know? These were softball questions for the most part. Any discussion of the draft, free-agency or Revis was met with the old "We'll see" answer.
ur talking about next years draft,right?...who's gonna trade for Revis right now?...coming off mcl surgery...teams gonna wanna see Revis perform first so u can forget about this year...
Itd be dumb to talk about the draft to the media or the fans. You don't want other teams to know what players you are targeting and what you plan to do.
The Jets have the choice. Leave Revis be, let him play out his contract. If he plays like his old self, extend him during the season next year before FA hits. His cap hit for next season is only 6 million, more than manageable. Trade him? Who expects to get fair value in a trade when a guy is coming off a torn ACL and looking for a new contract? If you ask me, trading him is not an option. If we let Revis play out his contract and resign Landry, then get a lucky little in the draft, the Jets will be knocking on the door again next year. Trade him, and we will be just as bad as 2012 next season.
"Miller, 51, said losing Revis would be another body blow to an already staggered fan base. Miller, who works in the real estate business and lives on Long Island, has two seats at MetLife Stadium. He pays $15,000 each for the personal seat license (PSL) and an additional $300 per ticket per game, including preseason, of course." OUCH!
Positional impact based on proximity to the ball and control of their area of play: (just an opinion but I think it's backed up pretty well by the facts) 1. QB 2. LT, ROLB, RDE (4-3) 3. RDT, LDT, NT, MLB, *ILB, 4. *S, *ILB, RT, LG, LDE (4-3), RDE (3-4), LDE (3-4) 5. WR1, RB, C, RG, LOLB, LCB 6. WR2, RCB, *S, TE 7. FB, WR3, TE2 * which of the two is most important depends on the defensive scheme in use.
We have no choice, but to "explore" trading him. If the value isn't there, so be it. We proceed with the scenario you outlined. I disagree with your assumption that signing him to a long term deal is going to be easy. Revis and his agents have demonstrated that they will squeeze every penny out of this next contract and we will pay top dollar to extend him before he hits FA. There will be no "home town" discount, and it is highly likely that he will test the market before agreeing to an extension with the Jets. Given the business acrimony between Revis, his agents, and the team (Tanny being gone might help), I have little faith in them getting a deal done.
Here's my issue with all this Revis trade talk. He has a 1 year contract; so he will be a rental until resigned which they have no way to guarantee unless its a sign and trade which still might hurt us with language in the contract specs. So your going to ask the world for the best defensive football player rental in the world he is not going to get moved. Why Cromartie is not being shopped around more publicly is mind boggling the guy probably had one of the best years ever as a player and a Jet he played physical(Made some stellar hits and tackles) played lights out with rare mistakes has a contract to have him locked in for a couple years and could still demand relatively just under what we would be looking for Revis. With that move you would free up space for Revis and keep THE JET; the on JETS that we all love to watch. There's nothing better then Revis Island why the fuck would they take that away.
So in a passing league, CB is the least important position on defense? Why are they one of the most sought after positions in FA and the draft then? There are no facts that back up your list at all. if you went with proximity to the ball, you'd be doing yourself a disservice. Centers touch the ball every play afterall. An elite CB effects every single snap the offense takes, and is someone the entire offense has to game plan around. If a team like Cincy for instance, was to simply concede taking AJ Green out of the gameplan, we'd be playing 10 vs 9+QB, with their best player and a good portion of field out of the equation. Shrinks the field for us, allows us to blitz, double team, or play 8 in the box. Limits their best weapon, while allowing us flexibility to stuff the run and/or improve pass rush. That is huge impact, and something i'd sign up for any day of the week. **note, i wouldn't pay 16mil per year for it tho..
Well, the theory pretty much holds lesser value when you consider that they move Revis around and that is what actually impacts the WHOLE OFFENSE.... and the WHOLE DEFENSE... Think about that, Not many players in the NFL can impact game planning on Both sides of the ball like Revis..
it depends on how you look at it Revis does so much for the defense other than just shut down the #1 receiver, he allows us to scheme differently and thats something no other CB offers, no one
That's not what I meant. If paying WR's huge dollars doesn't turn into championships, and I think that's beyond dispute at this point, then how can paying CB's big dollars turn into championships? Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Roddy White, etc. Where are the rings to go with those contracts? Darrelle Revis, Nnamdi Asomugha, Champ Bailey, etc. Where are the rings to go with those contracts? How can you pay a CB mega-millions if you're pursuing a championship when the mega-millions WR's can't get there either?
Revis only matters when he's shutting down a quality receiver. When he's playing against scrubs like Brian Hartline, Denarius Moore, Josh Gordon, Brandon Lloyd, ect... Its not worth it. When you have a great WR, he's making an impact every single week. Revis is lucky if he's playing a player of equal value 8 out of 16 games.
