I'm sure that there will be Jets fans ready to fire him after his first mistake. Heck, we've already seen several people upset with him over moved he made or didn't make in FA and claiming he's no better than Idzik. I guess the cynicism and pessimism are to be expected with a franchise that has gotten "it wrong" more times than not over the years. The only fan base that I can think of that might be more frustrated is the Chicago Cubs.
Well thats good. No one wants to trade up, although all I hear is teams that want to do deals with Washington and the other 4 to leap ahead of us. If you are going to find a "shtload of players" at lowere rounds you better damn well know what you are doing because the cream usually rises to the top. Lets end this QB discussion here and now, for every MM detractor there are as many or more who think he is great. Look at the QB class of last year: Carr, Mettenberg, Bridgewater all starting material. Garappolo too if he didnt sit behind Brady. Do you think MM is any worse than last years group?? So he is definitely worth it imo. Please tell if any player now or in the past was considered a "slam dunk" on either side of the ball. Cooper,White Fowler? Life is still a risk. Yes there is pressure for Mac to get a QB because he knows the team NEEDS a QB not necessarily because Geno sucks (he does) or there is "pressure", in NY there is always pressure.
I'm not arguing about selecting MM if available at 6. He's worth taking a chance on. But he's not good enough a prospect to trade up for. And if Mac decides to trade the pick if he's on the board at 6: I'm ok with it. And if we do trade him and he turns out to be good: No 20-20 hindsight. As for Garapolo, there is no evidence one way or the other that he will be good. Chances are he'll be there for a few years, not play and end up with another team. Teddy etc proved they can play.
I disagree. Totally. With lots of Jets fans and some of the media "experts" saying that Mariota is risky, I don't think Mac feels much pressure at all to take Mariota. Most GMs at least talk about going BAP in the draft, and most go with a "safe" pick for their first ever pick. Few could fault him for going with a "safe" pick at #6. It would be very easy for Mac to go with Fowler, Cooper, White or maybe even Beasley instead of Mariota and claim that he thought that those were safer picks or that they weren't high on Mariota. He could also trade down and make a point of saying that the team still had a lot of holes/needs, especially if he took an LT prospect after trading down. I think he likes Mariota and will take him, but I don't think he feels one bit of pressure to take him. With his trading for Fitz, and showing interest in Schaub and other QBs, he has made an effort to upgrade the position and the competition at the position. If there's any pressure to take Mariota, imo it will be the pressure of needing to find a quality starting QB, not because of Mariota necessarily.
If Mariota is available at 6 and he doesn't take him I think the shit will hit the fan against Mac. More people want him to take Mariota then to not take MM. And then if the Qb position is again a big negative and if Mariota is good there will a an avalanche of criticism. My opinion I don't really know what he thinks. But if he whiffs on a guy who becomes a franchise Qb he could be sitting across the Jags cafeteria in about a year having lunch with John Idzik and comparing notes on his days as the former GM of the NYJ.
Whoever makes the pick at #6 gets to select the best of the players on that list instead of settling for whatever is left. Even if the difference between Cooper and White is small, there is a difference and teams will prefer one guy over the other.
im not trading down unless i get both of clevelands 1st or both of new orlands first plus their third. too much top end talent. not even talking about mariotta. white, cooper, fowler, beasley, this needs needs a QB, but it also needs a game breaker either on offense or a pass rusher
id also really debate his flashes. iots not like he ever had a 2-3 game stretch where he was throwing for 300 yards and 3 tds. you look at say tannehill, he showed lfashes, he had a stretch of great play. geno was good but not great for 1 game here or there. to me thats not showing flashes
If he takes Mariota and he doesn't develop or if he passes on him and he does, either way, Mac will take criticism from fans and the NY media. Hopefully, Woody will have enough sense not to fire Mac after one year. IMO unless his new scouting and personnel depts. turn out to be total dopes, he's done enough good things to deserve at least 3-4 years even if he misses on Mariota. I'm sure that you're correct in saying that some Jets fans will be screaming for his head no matter what. For that matter, I think you could resurrect Vince Lombardi at the height of his Packer career or Walsh at the height of his SF career or Bill Polian, or Wolff of GB at the height of their careers, and some Jets fans would bitch and moan because of something they did. At this point, I think it's in the DNA of Jets fans. We've ALL been driven batty by our dumbass owners and the moves they've made (or haven't made).
It's a hit and miss on these higher echelon Qbs. That's why I'm not a big fan of selling the store for a potential good one. Or drafting one every other year until you maybe find the right player. It's an extreme case and there's no way Woody will fire Mac after only one year but after two years anything is possible.
Well, I guess we will see then but I will bet we don't trade down if both QBs are gone and you can say it's because we didn't want to but I will know better.
I don't think so because if he does not pan out he at least a stop gap qb and everyone with a mind would give the kid a yr or two to develop. I am of the opinion that you take a qb every year some where in the draft till you find the franchise qb. this yr early next yr later in the draft till you find the guy.
So Mac has no mind of his own. He is influenced by this board and the press who are blackmailing him to get MM. Yes he is a potetntial franchise QB but you won't admit it. You have to make a conspiricy theory out of the drafting of a good player. To whiff or not to whiff, that is the question that decides whether Mac becomes another Idzik. This man is is as far from Idzik as Uranus is from earth. Come into the light, please
The only way we should move down is IF Mariota, Winston, Cooper, White and Fowler are off the board and someone is willing to overpay for Williams. By overpay I'm looking at the Browns offering #12 + #19 + 2nd 2016
