Benching Pennington for the defense's mistakes would not be fair at all. I say this because I doubt Chad will cost the team 4 more losses.
why play pennington? we wont make the playoffs so why dont we use the games left to build a good team for the next season? put kellen in there and let him develope. pennington had a good start but the last couple games he looked average at best and thats why we have to start kellen now
Jetblue i hear what you're saying for sure, but i think Pennington is that guy. He's the pro bowl quarterback. IF, and it's a huge if, he stays healthy, he'll always be one of the top 5 or 6 QB's in the NFL. He still could get better too as his shoulder heals and he gains more experience. He's 30, but hasn't played for 3 1/2 seasons that he's been in the NFL cause he sat on the bench for 2 years behind Vinny, and then injuries. I think he's the guy...i really do. If we finish 9-7 this year, which is very possible, or even 8-8, and Penny plays the whole year and throws around 22 TD's with 14 or 15 INT's, i think you gotta resign him and assume he's gonna play a pro bowl caliber season next year. He'll be more comfortable with Mangini, Shottenheimer and the rest. Honestly, everyone is clamouring for our next great QB, when he's already starting. There's not that many TOP NOTCH qb's in the NFL right now at all...it pretty much drops off after Brady, Manning, Palmer and McNabb. I'd take Penny over any of the other QB's that come next on that list...Brees, Trent Green, Farve, Delhomme, etc. Well...maybe i'd take Delhomme...but Chad can be better than him when healthy and focused. Just my 2 cents.
You're a Pro Bowl QB when you actually get voted to, and play in, the Pro Bowl. Until then, you're not. I'd be happy with 16 games out of Pennington but is that something you want to gamble the future of your franchise on?
You don't take a qb in the first day unless you intend to play him. Once we have 6-7 losses put the kid in.
Nobody knew the status of Pennington's shoulder. Had to draft someone just in case. His shoulder is holding up, thus he should be starting.
I actually brought this up last week. Here MO. Without a doubt C Pennington a big reason Jets are 4-4. Without him you might be 0-8 or 1-7. Now what are you looking for. To win eight or nine games or to eventually to win a superbowl. Thats the question every jet fan must ask. You win eight gamesor nine games with very soft schedule and Chad pennington playing very well, is that better than winning three to four games and finding out if Clemens could be your Qb in 2007 and beyond. First by winning those nine games you are not getting the blue chip player in the draft.(some very good players top of the preceding rounds. Dallas built their dynasty being very bad for a couple years. (drafting very well) Jets need alot on defense to be a serious playoff defense not to mention more pieces on offense.. now by wiining nine games with a very soft schedule and not using this year to see if clemens could be Jets Qb that eventually wins them a championship. Are you any further in the big picture of winning a championship, as by the time Jets acquire all the pieces it takes to win a chamionship, Pennington most likely won't be the QB. Isn't it better to find out if K Clemns is the answer at qb or maybe its time to look at maybe a Chris simms in FA. You don't know what to do because C Pennington for most part has played pretty well. Anyone confident C pennington able to hold up for sixteen games. Want to keep worrying if his shoulder will hold up every year. BTW- last point. You want to be 2006 Dolphins. what I mean because of soft schedule down stretch in 2005, dolphins rolled off alot of wins. Gave alot of experts and their fans false expectations for 2006. Sorta like what jets have been doing this year. Building up unrealistic expectations. Hey mangini has done an excellent job but its going to take three years at least before he gets all the pieces .
Thank you, Raideryoda. This is dependent on Chad continuing to play at a low level: I don't think Chad Pennington is going anywhere until the offensive line is deemed to have jelled by the OC, because to have a rookie QB presiding over and O-line with 2 rookies is asking for a disaster. I like the idea of getting Clemens some playing time, but he would screw the pooch as a rookie with the pressure that Chad has been dealing with in the pocket. Get the O-line up to a decent level of efficiency and then throw the young gunslinger into the fire.
Than my apprentice, you don't think Clemens is going to struggle his first year even though the Oline may eventually get up to par. Rarely has a Qb come in and not experience some growing pains.(see Peyton manning). Most likely going to take a step back, when you eventually make that move. Isn't it better to take that hit when expectations are low ,and you obviouslyare missing so many pieces, that are necessary to win a chamionship. (like a defense) also what if clemens proves not to be the longgterm answer. Now you put all your eggs in Clemens basket, as you waited for oline to be good enough. Instead of knowing if you should have drafted another Qb or sign one in FA, you are back to square one. Hoping that pennington shoulder will hold up. good luck with that.
AL davis just released a statement what the Jets should do. NOPE. a raider fan who dosen't have an affliation with raiders organization, just giving his opinion. Im going through this right now. JMO I rather win a couple games less this year anjd see if I can develop my qb (A walter), thats going to win a championship. In the long run its going to pay off, than the short term solution . Relying on a veteran Qb who might win a couple more games ,but not taking you where you want to go. Again Im not sure IF Jet fans are thinking Championshi[ps or Just being a perenial playoff team that one and done.
This is one ridiculous thread. If Pennington should be benched if the Jets don't beat the best two teams in the NFL or because the Jets need to evaluate the future, then let's bench Kendall also because he certainly is not the future. And let's bench Coles, because he only has good seasons when Pennington is the QB, so if Pennington is not going to be the starter next year, we may as well play Brad Smith at WR to see what he can do. And of course, let's bench Ellis because he has just plain sucked for two years now and can't be part of the future. And let's bench Vilma also if the Jets don't beat the Pats and Bears because that will really mean that he is too small for the 3-4 and we should try a bigger linebacker, like Schlegel - he was a 3rd round pick and we need to see what he can do. And let's play Justin Miller over Dyson so he gets the experience and Eric Smith at safety over Coleman to see if he is for real. And if Nugent misses another kick against the Pats, even if it's over 50 yards, let's bring in another kicker to kick the rest of the year because maybe Nugent just isn't the answer. And let's let one of the defensive assistants call the defensive sets because Sutton is not getting it done. And if there is another special teams mess up, we should fire Westoff and try out a new special teams coach under game conditions this year. It all makes sense right? Or is it always the QB's fault? Or the HC?
Brad Smith, Schlegel and any offensive and Defensive linemen that could contribute down the line should be given a shot. We are talking about a 30+ year old noodle armed Qb not young players that can be the core in the next few years. This season is not Penningtons fault but it is his time to sit down. Same as it was when Vinnie was benched for him a few years ago!
Exactly. As I said in the Pennington thread, it's a simpleton approach, change the QB. Let me ask you guys something. We're 4-4, better than most people thought we'd be, the AFC wild card race is wide open and we have a bunch of winable games after the next two. What record would we need to have for you to not want to bag it and play for next year? What is good enough? Do we have to be 8-0 for anyone not to give up on 2006? Do we have to be 7-1? 6-2? Why at 4-4 is everyone worried about the future when you never know in reality what the future will ever be? We're in the middle of this season with our QB playing well and a chance to make a run for the playoffs, why do so many people just want to give up and treat the rest of the year like pre-season?
Okay, lol i just think some of these responses are pretty funny. Chad is a real smart quarterback. The last couple of games werent his best, but there is no way that he should be replaced by anyone. He needs to play a full season. He's a good quarterback, and we loved him the first games of the season. He's back for real, and i think he's actually going to have a good game against New England.
