Not saying anything about Sellers as I haven’t watched him at all My only comment is that I don’t think you can teach them where to throw. Or at least WE can’t. We couldn’t do it with Zach and we can’t do it with Fields. If a guy doesn’t have that innate QB sense (pocket presence, route concepts, route anticipation, touch, etc.) I for sure know that our fucking coaching staff can’t teach it. Maybe a guy like Shanahan or O’Connell can, but sure as shit AG can’t, nor could any other of our damn defensive coordinates masquerading as HC’s could. I would love to see us move on from AG and bring in someone like a Kingsbury and let him choose his QB. Best shot we’d have
Nah Ironic take cause Kingsbury would prefer Sellers. He’s the dude who took Kyler Murray and Daniels. Raw talent is what he wants and that’s Sellers Besides with Sellers pocket presence is his strength. dude stands in there and shakes folks off. He could improve anticipation and touch passing though for sure
Favre was right after Pennington. That's 3, all veterans from other teams. Yet we keep drafting looking for the answer. We probably should always be going for vets but also be grooming future QBs from mid rounds. Instead it's always the big name that is expected to be developed by a team that doesn't ever, EVER develop QBs.
Yeah, like I said, I’m not commenting on Sellers at all…I’ve not watched a single game so I have no idea really if he’s any good or not. My comment was more directed towards your comment that you can teach them where to throw. That’s the comment that I kind of disagree with to a point. I think there is a certain level of innate QB talent outside of the physical stuff like size and arm strength. I think there are so many intangibles that have to be there for a QB to succeed. I’m talking about things like pocket presence, leadership, reading the defense, understanding route concepts, throwing with anticipation (like throwing a receiver open), throwing with touch, accuracy, etc. Those kinds of things. Those are the things that I’m not sure coaches can teach a QB. He either has them or he doesn’t. Yes they can be improved, but if they are not there…look at guys like Zach or Fields as they are great examples of this…they have strong arms, they are athletic, but shit they are NOT QB’s…they don’t know how to play the position. The best they can do is run around and wait for receivers to get open and then throw them the ball when they see them open…that is not a recipe for success. That’s all…I’m sure some coaches are better at it than others…and guys like Shanahan and O’Connell are probably the best examples of this today…seems like they get good QB production no matter who they put in there…Shanahan made Purdy, the last fucking pick in the draft, into a pro bowl player, and when he got hurt, he makes Mac Jones look good. O’Connell made Darnold look great. But not many coaches can do that, and for sure, AG can’t. So that was my only point…I just think some players just “get it” and I don’t know that a lot of what makes them “get it” can really be taught…I think it’s innate in them.
Anthony Richardson is raw talent. Sellers is a QB through and through. He was the #1 prospect before this college season imo, and I still think he is. I’m honestly hoping he’s the guy we get.
Agree Sellers probably has most "raw talent" of any of the QBs, but when will we learn franchise QBs are the ones who process quickly and throw with accuracy. Sellers is not best in draft for those attributes.
The Jets like to take raw talent and turn it into dogshit. They don't develop QBs and probably shouldn't ever draft them.
I thoroughly disagree about Richardson. He has ZERO raw talent. Now, physically, Richardson is a freak. Maybe as a pure track and field guy is where is future sits but nowhere near a football field. That kid shouldn’t have been drafted period. It would take him a decade to get to basic QB levels in the NFL. Bad example. I know next to nothing about this year’s QB crop other than it’s a LOT worse than what everyone thought. Reading and listening to you guys talk, it’s quite clear there isn’t a consensus either. I sense a LOT of talk that sounds like “settling” for A vs. B quarterback. The ONLY guarantee, barring a major change, is NO wasting the top pick on “settling” for a QB. I’d rather use the #1/#2 pick on a GUARANTEED contributor. Maybe an edge rusher?
Agreed, this organization has NEVER drafted and coached up a QB! All…ALL the success has come from vets.
I hope that if the jets pick a QB high in the draft it should be based on game day performances, not individual workouts. Idiot GMs McCagnan and Douglas both were bowled over by what Hackenberg and Zach Wilson showed on their pro day, throwing to WR on an open field w no defensive presence. No pass rushers, no secondary, just throw to a WR running alone. After being drafted both QBs showed they could not read a defense, handles audibles, look off a safety, withstand a pass rush etc. Oh, maybe just maybe, pick a QB that had more than ONE good year in college. Had that been a previous guideline, one-year wonders Zach and Sanchez would not have been drafted so high.
Raw talent is almost always used in a way that describes physical gifts, but mental talent is absolutely a thing as well and it's by far the most important thing about playing QB well. Put simply, playing QB well is about making good, quick decisions while under duress. Peyton Manning was a bad athlete but had immense mental talent, same with Tom Brady. The problem is that physical talent is easy to identify and mental talent isn't, so GMs repeatedly over-index on physical talent.
From your post to Moogs picks. I swear to all the “Football Gods” if this F$@&’ing team drafts the next high pick QB based on potential I will end my fandom on the spot!!!! I want as much of a guarantee as possible!! Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning on the “pretty damn sure he’s going to be phenomenal” spectrum. Or, Jayden Daniel’s, C.J. Stroud, Tua or Drake Maye’s of the world that are considered going to be “good.” Hell, at this point give me a Geno Smith type again. I won’t survive another Wilson, or worse, Anthony Richardson type of QB. The next QB this team picks better have no more than 5 losses in an “at least” THREE year college career and zero bowl losses. Until that person sits at the very spot the Jets pick I don’t want him. I just want a winner!! I don’t care if he has the body of Nick Nolte in North Dallas Forty! Win win win!!! Unfortunately, from what I see, hear and read there is nothing like I described in this draft. It is CLEAR, barring a voo doo turn around with Fields, he is NOT the answer and I want him nowhere near this team, other than possibly the practice squad, next year…
Totally agree! Hell, if physical talent was the end all be all guys like Jerry Rice and half the HoF would have never gotten a shot.
Ok!!! There’s at least one in EVERY draft and it’s CLEAR the arrogance level in some result in these kids getting drafted where they should be nowhere near an NFL field.
@Sundayjack Does Vandy still have a shot for playoffs or are we done after 2 losses? P.S. Arch still didn’t impress me.
I just think if we’re talking top 10 or top 5, or even number 1 overall of course, a QB (like Mendoza) that processes and gets the ball out is a little underwealming. You can find a QB like that in mid rounds or even better as a cheap vet if I’m taking a QB at the top of the draft I want pure talent. I want something in his skill set to be elite
Yes they do. They were setup to lose this game but they have to beat Tennessee in the last game of the year. I just don’t think Mendoza is worth a top ten pick. I’m sure we’ll take him. I’m sure he’s going to be an OK NFL player because he’s Kirk Cousins-ish but that’s his ceiling. You don’t draft that ceiling in the top ten generally.
Thanks JV. In Nashville. Promised my son to take him to the 1 st college playoff game for Vandy if it happens. Hope we can make it. College Football is exciting if you have a skin in the game.
