Harrison Phillips Culture Comments

Anyone who thought this was a one year project is kidding themselves. You don't go 15 straight years of no playoffs and turn it around in one season. You have to gut the place and build a new foundation.

 

I have a new found respect for Harrison Phillips to actually put his name on it. He's got some stones and INTEGRITY! You got something to say, slap your name on it.

In the day to day I do forget this is the most important exponential part of the problem. The PERVASIVE darkness...whatever you want to call it. Harrison is right, you do not change a culture over night. It's why teams that have good "bones" can turn it around in a year or two. The Patriots are a great example. Cleveland, Las Vegas & the Jets are the exact 180 degrees opposite. I'm not sure what Arizona is but it's not quite the same mess. However, the point has been VALIDATED by a player ON the current team. He's gotta know how this is going to play with his teammates and he still did it. Maybe Glenn is the man to weather this storm. I don't know. We're waaayyy beyond X's and O's here. We all know it, whether we want to admit it to ourselves or not.

And it's not time to start battling amongst ourselves. Doesn't really matter what you believe, we now have confirmation. Facts and not speculation are finally at play here. I, for one, am going to be watching carefully.

 

We need a culture changer.. I thought that was going to be AG. Rex came in here and got everyone on the same page, changed the culture year one. Why don't we see that, instead of the SOJ, year after year? You think the fans want anything to do with that mindset either? Not any logical ones anyway. It doesn't go away though until you make it go away. So, fucking do it already. Please, by all means.

 

Rex came here and put a new spin on the culture, and was able to attract a lot of FA interest that the Jets usually cannot. He didn't do a damn thing to actually repair the culture, he just masked it for a little while. Within a couple of years, the cracks in that facade became terminal. That's why the organization looked far, far, far worse at the end of the Rex Ryan era than we did going into the Rex Ryan era. I have no interest in pretending to fix it again, it needs to be actually fixed.

 

Love his attitude and the ownership this guy takes for his role on the team. If his play continues being solid (have to watch with him hitting 30), they need to extend him. As great of an interview as I've ever seen. We're lucky to have him

 

Culture is a very difficult thing to describe and pin down, let alone change. It’s tricky because it’s very intangible. We deal with this in the typical office workspace as well.

I’m far from an expert in this…but from my experiences in the workplace for decades, you can’t just say “we’re going to change the culture”…culture comes from the way leaders act and from the way all of the employees act. It’s not one person saying “this is what it’s going to be”, and once ingrained, it’s not all that easy to change.

For the Jets, I think a lot of it comes from the organizational leaders…starting with Woody. It comes from what people say and how they interact, what is considered appropriate behavior, etc.

I think the losing for so long is a big part of it…people who have been there just kind of start accepting it and it starts permeating the building.

Not sure how to really change it in the locker room other than a tough HC leading the way, and bringing in a bunch of guys who buy in and who lead by example. When Parcells came in, he brought a bunch of his guys…Rex did that too with guys like Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard.

With AG, it didn’t seem like he did that so maybe that was part of the issue with him not being able to really motivate this team. But you need leaders who will “walk the walk” and who will hold the other players accountable. Many times, and on the best teams, that is often the QB. We don’t have that as we’ve had shit for QB for way too long.

But if we’re going to change the culture, Woody needs to stay the fuck away as he just seems like a total idiot, and then we need some guys on both sides of the ball who buy into the HC and instill and demand that mindset…if it’s going to be AG, then AG needs to bring in a few guys who will carry his message before the players tune him totally out (if they haven’t already)

 

This is a bit of a chicken and egg problem. Is culture downstream of winning or is winning downstream of culture? Probably a little of both, right? It's probably a feedback loop where each component encourages the other.

Funny how the Bears, Jaguars, and Patriots didn't need multiple years to change their culture though...

 

It’s not always a one year project, but it can be.

It’s no longer than a two year project. So next year is a put up or shut up situation. A coach, a QB (even if middle of the road) and a solid draft class flips the culture pretty quickly if done properly.

We already had what appears to be one decent draft class. One more next year with a war chest to spend in free agency and the Jets should be .500 or better next year.

 

Rex has alot of friends in the business and players line up to play for him. Glenn doesn’t have the coaching tree, and judging by rumblings from guys like Quinnen he doesn't seem to have the same love and loyalty from players.

 

I agree. I do want to see what happens with the Bears and Jaguars though. We were all losing our minds watching the Commanders go from zero to hero last year and suddenly Quinn’s on the hot seat.

I remove the Pats because we knew Vrabel was/is a good coach.

 

Here's the thing. You can't just change players and coaches. This kind of leads into the organization side. How in the fuck are these fools, in the marketing dept., executive leadership...the whole enchilada, still there decades down the line. THOSE are people who need to go, too. Hymie or whatever the fuck. Right down to the damn people wiping the tables in the cafeteria. It DOES suck and it IS hard. But, it can be done if there is a will to do it. Sadly, as we all know, it starts with Johnson. If that fucker would get out of the way...for, say, FIVE measly years, this organization could be turned around. Bring in a Polian type to rebuild it from the damn top down. Get rid of this long time bloat and useless "cads" in upper management. Wipe it all out. Bring in people who have never had anything to do with the NY Jets and start there. Polian may be in his 80's but he's got his faculties and he knows what to do. He doesn't have to do anything but sit on high, observe and direct. Or, someone like him who is PROVEN. Not just a god damn "search firm" or whatever else bullshit that 33rd Team or those like them.

When you are standing in the Chow line, you don't hear the folks dishing up food talking about the long running winless streak. When you are in the trainer's room getting taped/rub downs, no one standing there talking about the long running winless streak. Fire/lay off EVERYONE! It would take a well trained person/team to spend, say, two weeks just hanging around, listening to the water cooler talk if you don't want to wholesale wipe everyone out. You can cherry pick the really bad apples. Face it, every company has them and the Jets are a company and no different.

Oh, it CAN be done.

I'm sorry, but this shit is NOT just the players. Yeah, if we were talking players only, hell, one...two...worst case, three years. It's the whole fucking building right down to the groundskeepers. ANYONE who has been a part of that organization, that isn't a player, that can't keep their pie hole closed on the "state of the team" needs to go. Just a theory but, do it my way, and you ENSURE you kill that vibe.

 

You typed it up faster...I'm on your page. Everyone ASSOCIATED with that team needs to be vetted and either they get on board or they get replaced. Full stop.

 

Yeah I agree it’s more than just the players and coaches…I think there is organizational rot way farther out than that…and it needs to be fixed

 

At the end, I think he accidentally compared the Jets to an alcoholic father, and only realized it when he was done

Oh wait: maybe he was comparing Woody to an alcoholic father. That would make a lot more sense.

 

What does that even mean? If you're saying it can be, then surely you have some examples of franchises switching leadership after a 10+ year playoff drought who brought in a new coaching regime and went to playoffs in year 1. Would love some examples.

And how is it no longer than a 2 year project? The only people who are saying that are you and a bunch of other posters on some message boards who are blood lusting for Aaron Glenn's removal. No credible source has said Glenn is on the hot seat next year. That's your own internal mandate that you're projecting onto the situation.

So if we want to even extend this into a Year 2 example, how many coaches have come into a franchise as horrible as the Jets have been for 15 years with NO QB and gotten them to .500 or above in Year 2. You and many others here seem to have some overly unrealistic expectations for such a dumpster franchise. Again, not sure what criteria you're actually basing this evaluation on.

The more reasonable viewpoint would be IF we get even a middle of the road QB and upgrade the roster which is inevitable given its current state, then seeing an uptick in the win column to say, 7-10 or 8-9 would be quite a drastic improvement heading in the right direction. Would you agree?

Not sure what you're basing this .500 or better mandate in year 2 on. Surely not just a "decent draft class". It will take one or two more of those and the right FA's to hopefully see the light.

 

Truculent? He's one highly intelligent DT.

I'm not going to bother looking up the meaning of the word.

He should keep his mouth shut on topics like this. Keep it in house. We saw what happened on the field it's bad real bad.

I don't need to hear things like this. I don't see what purpose airing dirty laundry such as this serves.

 

You know...it's ONLY dirty laundry if no one knows. EVERYBODY on the fucking planet knows this organization is a shit show. All he did was confirm what we already know. How about you don't shoot the messenger but TAKE the message delivered and actually DO something about it. You are worried about the wrong thing... It's a mindset like that that ENSURES this nightmare continues without end.

 

What purpose does it serve? Other than to bring more negative press on the Jets as if they need any more of that.

Loose lips sink ships.

Keep it in house.

I'm sure Coach A.G. or someone else with authority on the Jets will let him know that as well.