I've been looking at the Texans waltz around David Carr this offseason and I'm pretty sure they're going to trade him if they get a halfway decent offer. He's 27 years old with a live arm and some tangible success already at the NFL level. He is mobile and relatively sturdy, missing only 4 starts in 5 years. He has played in a complete backwater with never enough talent to really get anything notable accomplished and yet he has a 60% lifetime completion percentage and has managed a 75.5 rating. This despite playing behind a leaky line with at best one really good receiver to throw to, and that only for a few years. He does not throw a lot of picks and he doesn't have fumble-itis, both normal hallmarks of a strong-armed young QB playing in the situation he's been in with a ton of pressure to play catchup game after game and the pass rush coming at him. I think the Jets should go get him now. If he gets into a good situation with a better team he's as likely to tear the league up for 5 years as any non-elite QB playing. If it costs the 59 and a later pick? Well that's the cost of picking up a potential star QB.
And what about Chad and Clemens? That would totally undermine them - unless you include Pennington in the deal. Chad + pick 2b?
You're insane. You want to give up our 2nd rounder and another pick for a QB thats lucky to be alive? We have our QB for now and for the future on this team. Pennington and Clemens respectively.
I'm undecided on him. He would be by far the most talented QB on our roster. If we could get a coach to shake out that panic attack he gets, he could be the best QB on the team without question. But the kid severely lacks confidence at this point after taking the beating he's taken. If the FO thought they could coach his confidence back up, then he'd be one hell of a QB for this team. However, he might just be a lost cause at this point in his career. Houston may have ruined his chance at ever being successful just because of the mental issues getting sacked time after time has caused him.
I think Carr could be great but he just doesn't fit in on this team. I feel bad for him and it's pretty stupid that they think Quinn would solve their problems. I would've given Carr another year or two, but hey, this is the same franchise that passed up on Reggie last year.
If we didn't have Clemens, maybe. But theres more pressing needs right now. Carr will be a pretty good QB on another team though.
Undermining is kind of a foreign concept (excuse the pun) in the NFL. Every player with the exception of the top 10% really is playing for their job all the time. On the good teams those players either produce at a very high level or the job gets taken by somebody else. On the mediocre teams they maybe hold their job a season or three too long, because they're vets, and that's why the mediocre teams are mediocre. I think Chad could handle Carr coming in and gunning for his job. If Chad held the job at the end of camp it would be because he earned it. If he didn't have the job sewn up halfway through camp, well there's always a trade to KC for a 2008 draft pick as an option for the Jets to consider. One of the things the cap surplus this year could be used for would be to unwind another of Bradway's mistakes. Clemens is probably a year out at least before he's ready to compete. He couldn't even clearly take the number two job from Ramsey this year. A fact that we should not downplay in assessing him. Patrick Ramsey is pretty bad QB. I think the Jets should grab Carr and let the chips fall where they may. It's not like adding a prime QB, and Carr is a prime QB, ever hurt an NFL team.
c'mon homer, you can't possibly believe that carr dosn't have way more potential than noodles...however i'd like to keep chad as the veteran/QB coach to make both the young guys on our roster better. another thought...what kind of cap hit would we take? I think he's worth a 4 or 5...hopefully 5.
We don't have a coach at the moment, and have not for his entire career, that can shake out the panic attack that Chad gets when things go bad early. I see Carr as just as stable as Chad, especially given the difference in the teams they have played for. The Texans have been as bad as the 2005 Jets for a bunch of seasons. Just picture again the injury Chad suffered in 2005 when the pocket closed in on him and he tried to squirm up the middle for a yard and got buried. That's been David Carr's whole career. The difference is that Carr can take those hits and Chad cannot. Before you dispute that last statement remember there's a LOT of evidence that supports it at this point.
Carr is going to draw a 2nd round pick offer no problem when he is traded. The teams I worry about picking him up, obviously, are New England and Miami.
In 2003 Vinny filled in pretty good... and you cant use 2005 as an example...our two top QB's got hurt for the season in the span of a couple of plays. 2005 is also a horrible example because that entire team was a mess that year. Having someone like david Carr would have done nothing. Having said all that I dont think this is a dumb thread...I just dont think we need David Carr when we have CP and our QB of the future.
you actually thought this out? and you think this is a good idea? im amazed! wtf do we need with david carr? hes a big talent little brain QB. if the texans RELEASED him id mmmaaaaaaayyyyybe take a look at him as a backup....but using any pick isnt a good idea. houston aint giving him up for a 7th rounder....and who, prey tell would be playing qb for them next year? if they got plummer hed be the backup, but he will start there. hes getting undermined there by teammates. i dont remember who said it, but i remember the quote in the star ledger saying something like "hes been here for 4 years and the best he could do was a 5 win season. we need a change." i wish i could remember who it was that said it.... anyways...no...bad..bad...bad idea. and he has a great wr down there in andre johnson. hes better than any wr on the jets, and he still cant do anything...
i don't see why it's such a bad idea...i think it's definitely an upgrade at the QB position...the only thing that he doesn't bring to the team is chad's leadership qualities...he's a better pure QB...if you disagree with that, i gotta say ur crazy (i'm waiting for someone to bring stats into this)
I'm not a big CP supporter by any means, but to say David Carr would be an upgrade is something I cannot comprehend. I wouldn't argue about me being crazy though.
