The only Jets coach that really knew how to build a team was Walt Michaels. If you remember, he brought in two huge OT and a great defense. I?ve said this before and I will continue to say ?The coaching staff does not have the personal to play the 3-4.? Isn?t about time the coaching staff employed a defense that fit their players. :jets:
We are better suited for 4/3 now personel wise than 3/4 that is for certain. Ellis , D-rob, and Vilma have Pro-bowl potential in the 4/3. They will never be pro-bowl guys in the 3/4.
Scary thing? All the quotes I'm seeing from the Jets say the game plan was great and they couldn't execute it. Our lack of a pass rush is frightening.
We might have to look into trading Vilma, and Ellis. We should cut D-Rob (I don't think we can trade D Rob). It's not fair to only talk about moving away from Chad.
Sit Hobson to give Harris a shot and play Bryan Thomas at RE. Now that he's been pass-rushing as a linebacker he may have a better idea of what kind of exposiveness is required to get by an edge blocker. Play Kenyon Coleman at DT unless Pouha is ready to play. The Jets current 3-4 is the worst piece of crap defense I have ever seen them play and I saw some pretty bad ones in the late 70's and mid 90's.
Bryan Thomas may be the best LB on our team. At best he is a mediocre to back up quality Lineman. You can't base every thing on 1 game against a loaded team with a great QB, it's absurd.
I base everything on what this team has done defensively since the 3-4 was put in against any team capable of winning 8 games. This defense is terrible. Playing the Texans and the Raiders and the Dolphins twice and the Vikings (Tarvaris Jackson anybody?) and the Bears at their low point (Rex Grossman?) let the defense look almost competent at times last year, but it wasn't. I watch the Jets week after week, unable to get organized on defense, rarely able to defend two plays in a row adequately and completely dependent on Kerry Rhodes blitzes and I swear I don't think I've seen anything this bad since the 1996 defense that just rolled over and died every week. Mangini's from that side of the ball. How can he not see that this is not working?
It has nothing to do with this game and all to do with the personnel. This game does not change what we have the personnel to play. Sure, BT is not as good at RE as he is at LB. But Vilma, Ellis, Drob, Pouha, Mosely are all prototypical 4/3 players. Hobson, and Barton are native 4/3 guys as well. It just so happens they can play either. None, I repeat...None of our DL have ideal size for a 3/4.
Jesus.... anybody that said the 06 draft was bad obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. Everybody including about 300 posters on this board went nuts when we drafted Dbrick. I was one of the few that was against it before the draft but when they drafted Brick and Mangold I am man enough to admit that I loved both picks. The jury is still out on Brick, he clearly needs to bulk up and get better at run blocking but every expert and so called expert agreed at the time this was the obvious choice to make for a rebuilding team. Mangold should have been rookie of the year and is already a top 5 center in this league and if stays healthy will remain a fixture at C for years and will earn a few Honolulu trips in the process. We got our QB of the future in the 2nd round in which we made absolute fools of the Redskins with a pick wich we used to get our starting RB Thomas Jones. Shlegel.... ok they screwed up here Eric Smith.... as posted in another thread him being hurt really hurt our secondary yesterday but he played pretty well last year and is already way better than Jon McGraw whom everybody loved. Brad Smith.... certainly makes opposing defenses think when he gets in the game and once he gets the WR position he will be a serious threat once Clemens becomes the QB as he will be our deep threat. Leon Washington.... I'm waiting for people to say something bad about him. Other than his size. Almost single handidly beat Dolphins on Christmas last year. Pociask... was injured last year jury still out Drew Coleman.... showd much improvment between opening game and season end. He was victimized in the Bears game but if he makes the pic he goes to the house and we win that game. Pretty good if a 6th round rookie gets quality PT on a playoff team. Titus Adams ..... garbage. Ok 2 pieces of garbage on a draft with 10 players. Throw in the fact that 60% of the garbage that Sperm and Badway had on this roster are gone and I don't understand how anybody can criticize it. The way the Pats played yesterday they would have beaten the 85 Bears. Consider it also appears they cheated in stealing signals and there is no reason for concern. This team is still heading in the right direction. I also happen to know this isn't the first game Green Guy has ever watched. I know he happens to know more about sports in one hand than most people on this board. Not like he needs my defense.
i think them not using much of the capspace on the FA market is the bigger sin than who we drafted. reivis looks like the real deal...and we needed a solid corner opposite dyson. harris also looks like he will be productive. why the jets FO got a case of the cheapies when it came to the FA market when there were a few interior lineman and D lineman to be had is beyond me. what the hell does capspace mean when youre under and you suck?
My thinking on the capspace is they knew they weren't legit threats to win the SB this year so decided that the overhaul would continue next year with Clemens as QB and hopefully Dbrick and Mangold playing up to full potential also with a quality starting RB in Jones. Then when they have the roster they want in tow they would add pieces to the puzzle the same way the Pats did for years. Just because they didn't sign anybdoy this doesn't mean that money goes away next year.
That money certainly goes away next year. The Jets get NO credit for the amount they are under the cap this year. If you're under the cap you chose not to spend it. The Jets could easily have signed an Eric Steinbach, for instance, to a front-loaded deal that absorbed a lot of their excess cap space this year and was more forgiving in future years. Why they chose not even to look at that type of action is completely beyond me. I assumed at the time they were looking at Blalock or Grubb, who would have been even cheaper and likely a better building move. Not doing any of the above was just idiotic.
Ferguson and Clemens will determine the fate of the draft pick regardless of what Leon Washington and the bottom half of the guys do. If Clemens turns out to be a star, no one will mention how we could've had Cutler or Leinart, but if Clemens is so-so and D'Brick is a bust then the draft will be viewed as a monumental failure.
its pretty hard to dispute that the move to the 3-4 was a mistake. Although it has helped B. Thomas, it has killed the productivity of Vilma and Robertson. That being said. We aren't going back. Mangini knows the 3-4 and he's gonna stick with it. I really don't like to judge after one game, especially a game like yesterday. The patriots are a more talented and more experienced team at nearly every position. They have a more experienced coaching staff and an all time great QB. Yeah, the jets played like shit, but I'm not ready to write off the season. Bottom line, the jets fouled up big time not getting a road plowing guard or a pass rushing OLB early in the draft. I like Revis alot, and I think Harris may end up being a nice big body to keep blockers off of vilma. But, i think trading up for him was a massive mistake. There were linemen on the board who could have helped alot more than he will this year. I don't post alot on this board, but I was absolutely screaming for us to make a run at Steinbach in Free Agency. He would have been perfect at a guard spot.
The 06 and 07 drafts were neither perfect nor poor. Within both drafts there were some good decisions and some bad ones. This FO have had a couple of good drafts which could have been great if it weren't for a few bad choices in both. 06 The Good: Brick - like it or not that was a good pick given what we knew at the time. Mangold - terrific choice Clemens - chad was coming off an injury we had to cover our @$$ B. Smith - excellent value Washington - we needed a RB; Martin was a ? The Bad: E. Smith - there were more pressing needs than safety and this was not a good value pick. Shlegel - not only did we not need a ILB, we was a huge reach in terms of talent. Passing on 3-4 defensive players that are very hard to come by like 3-4 NT Gabe Watson, 3-4 RDE Anthony Montgomery, 3-4 ROLB Mark Anderson. All of whom were positions of need and would have ineviably start for us in 06. 07 The Good: Revis - we needed a CB and we got the best one in the draft. T. Jones - I'm going to count him as part of the draft. The Bad: Harris - love the player not the pick. This would have been a good pick had they traded Vilma. In a draft loaded from top to bottom w/ potential 3-4 pass rushing OLBs, we left empty-handed.
I have said it before and I'll say it again. Trading away picks for Harris and Revis was a luxury. One that at this time we really could not afford. We needed picks. We could have traded down and picked up a couple guards that would have solidified our OL for years to come. We could have taken a guy like Soliai in the 4th who has bona fide NT size. We had too many areas of need to give away so much.
Tony Ugoh looked pretty good starting at LT for the Colts on Thursday night. And he is a rookie they drafted in the 2nd round. The Colts front office and Dungy know how to build a winner. The Jets obviously are still learning, or maybe they never will. It is so painful and embarassing being a fan of this team.
