Pennington the problem or no line???

I agree that a good running game would help us in many ways. The biggest being that if we could run on people we could open up lanes for Chad to pass down the field.

Here's the problem, we have a couple of really young players middle and left on our line and a couple of JAGS on the RS of our line. We are asking these young players to do to much. They can't fire out consistently becuase they have to much responsability with the line being stacked against them. Conversely since Chad can't throw deep except down the middle of the field he needs the running game to set up play action to create a straight lane down the field. You want to get these young guys fireing out and run blocking, we are going to have to push the D back on their heels a little. It's a catch 22. Fortunately we have a QB who can fire the ball down the field outside the hash marks so he doesn't need that big throwing lane in the middle of the field.

Whether having a QB who can do that will help the running game or not, at least we make the D cover more field which will open more space and opportunities for the O.

 

best post of common sense yet! cuddos to winston biggs!!!you see the need of a line.

 

Now that's what I'm sayin'. A good passing game can help a running game as much as the reverse does. We used to be a team that played pass first to open up the running game. Now I feel this team has no identity about who they are and what they do well and first. I think someone sorta' said this in another post.

Look at the QBs this team had. They all had big arms. We threw the ball first and ran second. Since Pennington cannot open up the game, our running is suffering.

 

Wrong answer. No it's not the line. It's Pennington's weak arm and limited mobility.

 

Penningtons weak arm is putting a young line in position to bear more of a burden than they can right now. The line is a problem, but I agree having a QB who can attack outside which Pennington can't would help the line improve, open up space for our playmakers and give us more opportunity for big plays and points.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that you're right about the defense changing for Clemens. I was trying to lead you to the water, but I failed miserably. They would have to respect/pay more attention to the passing game further down field which would open up a lot of things.

Don't let your man love for Pennington blind you from his inability to do what NFL QB's should be able to do.

 

Pennington isn't only hurting them by not being able to put the ball downfield, he is also immobile. If he could move outside the pocket and was a threat to run, things wouldn't be so bad. I think he would make New England's O line look bad and they are the best IMO.

 

here's the bottom line and you can take your choice.

A) Mangini is a complete and utter fool and couldn't coach a girls football team.

B) Mangini doesn't have any faith in Clemens being any better then Pennington despite all of his weaknesses

 

I think the real problem is we don't have anyone who is a threat to break a TD. I know Cotchery and Coles had some sweet catches last year, but their "big gains" were far and few between. Plus our RB won't even sneak out for an 80 yard run. If you can't stretch the field, they will pile it up in the box.

 

Last year, the only way we got any rushing yards was starting out with the passing game first. In my opinion, this is true this year. Look at the Buffalo game in the 1st half, run, run , 3rd and long.

If it is all Chad's fault that we cannot run, why do you think that we cannot convert a 3rd and 1 or why do we have to throw the ball inside the 5 yard line to score, because the line is terrible. These are situations that completly blows away the theory of our inability to run because of the lack of going deep. Bottom line is if we need 1 yard, we are throwing the ball because as seen in Buffalo, when we needed 20 inches and ran the ball, we lost 2 yards.

 

help me figure this out. The OL is not doing their job. CP is 32-39. 27 passes not going past 10 yrds. 2 passes over 20 yrds. If CP has time to look downfield and had to dink dunk to check down receiver how does the OL fail in giving him time. Chads gameplan is shot one DC's take away the 7-10 yard routes. Defenses will give him the dinks all day because he is limited physically to a certain percentage of field position. his completion percentage throughout his career is well documented. Good for him. On the flip side, his yards per catch and yards per attempt must be well documented also. The stats and the film don't lie. can't have one without the other. For the talent we have he's a liability. he may be an excellent QB for another situation, just not the NYJ's

 

i bet last year you said other things. dinks and dunks come the majority if the time from seeing everything else( which is short, inter, rarely long) and not having time to look back. chad cant hold the ball and check off safeties over the top. it will be another jarvis green incident for him, or clemens, damn dont you people see? do you think he hikes it and quickly throws it as far as he can on every down, (which to you dumb asses, 5-15 yards) HE DOES NOT HAVE THE TIME LIKE MANNING, BRADY, ETC... NOR DOES HE HAVE THE MOBILITY OF GARCIA OR ANY LIKE HIM. chads smurfy receivers dont help much either. neither of those guys could win many jump balls

 

Pennington Stinks

The Lolly Pop thrower stinks, he cant even make 1/2 the throws Nfl QB's make. He completes 70% of his 3-5 yd passes, Whoopeeee !!!! And the O-Line stinks and will be man handled by the Gaints D-line, 12 sacks last wseek, 15 this week..... This Giants team is sooooo much better it's not even debateable. The Jets will get crushed this week !!!!!

 

Chad was quoted in today's Newsday as saying "With the type of movement they[the giants] have, with all the different looks they present an offense, there are going to be some plays that look a little ugly" He's giving away plays before they're even called!

He is the leader of the offense and this team. When he says that he shows no confidence in himself, his play-makers, or his O-line. It is true that his O-line needs help, but in order to win games in this league you need to work on your weaknesses, then go into every game with confidence that you will win.

With an attitude like his we won't win. Chad has lead us to some great wins in his carreer, and I have rooted for and supported him since he started. But KC will not have the defeatist attitude that Chad does. If we don't cut chad out of the starting Line-up his atitude will spread to the rest of the team, if it hasn't already!

 

The bottom line is we played in 4 games last year against teams that were over .500. We lost 3 of the four games. Don't get me wrong Kendall was a big part of why Chad did not hit the deck as much last year but we were productive against bad teams. We have a real schedule this year and it is obvious that last year the stars line up and we were a mediocre to bad team and got to the playoffs because of weak competition. Even if we had a line that could block it will mean nothing unless the opposing Defense can be moved off of the line of scrimmage.

 

the reason our "schedule is so tough" is because our management did nothing to fix the two most important areas on a football team with the philosophy that we have. if you people want to be an air show we dont need mangini, how bout don coryell from the chargers? maybe marino as our qb mentor? we dont have the personel, to play any other way than ball control. our last three regimes liked it this way!pray that cower wants to coach in the apple, i bet he could get something out of this bunch. i just want wins people, clemens aint it. not yet!!!

 

You can't push the defense back when they are constantly stacking the line with 8 or 9 defenders or more! When the defense cheat, we can't hurt them, because Pennington CANNOT throw downfield.

Sure, the Oline hasn't played well all year - with some exceptions. However, if take away your own options - you only help the other team's defense. Playing tight for the run or short pass - exposing your deep secondary - knowing they can't hurt you...it's suicide for the offense.

 

this is becoming the most overused "get rid of chad false theory" 8-9 in the box!!! you act as if chad couldnt take a two step drop and loft it 25 yards into single coverage. my god people i have seen him throw farther than this, and you all have too, if you were not to drunk at the game.watch the next game then come back and try again