People are frustrated, myself included. But you don't fire people over frustration, and you don't trade people over frustration. It's silly talk. This is a good team that's got a good coaching staff and a good front office. There are problems, and hopefully they'll be fixed, but you don't take drastic measures over this one bad season. The best coaches have had awful seasons, when they started out. The sky is not falling.
Which great coaches had terrible sophomore seasons that were much worse than their opening season? Just curious who is on that list.
Its amazing the difference about 2 months make. Before the season he was "mangenious" ...now people want his head.......crazy
redwhiteblue&green is beyond crazy. "this is a good team, thats got a good coaching staff and a good front office" If that was the case their record would be 6-1...not 1-6. Someone sucks, probably Pennington giving up terrible interceptions at terrible times, their defense not getting pressure, their coaches being over conservative, our coaches sticking with noodle arm, or our front office for constructing a sub par offensive and defensive line. If your trying to say that there isnt a big problem and the sky isnt falling how many losses do we need for you to think so? We are already out of playoff contention.
What a loaded question -- one that I'm figuring you know cannot be answered. Both Bellichick and Parcells had awful seasons when the began their head coaching careers. They also had great seasons. It shows you that one year can be great and the next can be awful. If the owners fired them over the one bad season, today they would look like fools. I'm not saying Mangini is going to be one of the all-time greats, but I believe he will, and I hope the Jets give him the chance to.
Some years you don't make the playoffs. And yes, the sky is not falling. If we go 1-16, the sky will not fall. KC will be the QB, for better or for worse. I believe for better. We'll hopefully draft an Abe-type pass rusher, if he's available. Maybe we'll get a new defensive coordinator. And maybe some of our players will be gone. But I'm certainly not beyond crazy. I just don't make rash decisions based on a bad season.
The team Mangini inherited was going nowhere. It had a bunch "comfortable" overpaid veterans and underachieving youngins. The first thing he did was cut or trade the muckrakers, then set an open competition for every position (eg. J-slack->J-Co). He drafted his QB of the future (what the shit is going on with that is anyone's guess). He began to draft the pieces that fit into his system... Then he got lucky and made the playoffs and forgot what the hell he was doing. Just because he can't admit it doesn't mean we aren't rebuilding.
Actually I'm specifically curious about which coaches came in and took over a team and had a terrible second season and then turned into good coaches with that team. There probably have been one or two but I can't think of them. It's not unusual for a coach to have a terrible season right off the bat, as he's sweeping up the trash left by the previous administration, and then turn into a good coach. But how many come in and absolutely collapse in season two and then are worth anything? It's probably worth figuring this out in terms of prognosticating where we will be in a year or two if Mangini is the coach and the Jets slide continues this season. Nothing I've seen about him so far suggests that he's an exception to any of the normal rules and conditions that influence NFL results.
No, and even though I think he's done a terrible job this year, he shouldn't be. He still did a great job last year, I thought we looked like the best coached team in the NFL. But he's still a young coach and is still going to make mistakes. You don't fire him at the first sign of trouble. He'll come back next year with some pressure to get this turned around, but right now he's completely safe.
I would like to know what criteria you are using to evaluate the coaching staff or front office. record? personnel decisions? strategy? preparation? what? because this coaching staff and front office sure don't seem very good in any of those areas. so please, what criteria are you using to deem them good. this regimes record to date: 11-12. they are below .500. that hardly is good.
I've been with you on this one for a couple of weeks now.... Honestly? If Mangini wanted to have any real chance of staying with a record that bad, he would have put Kellen in already, because the losses could then be attributed to 'growing pains.' Instead, with Mangini coaching the way he is, the losses are attributed to poor scheming, non-existant halftime adjustments, stubborn and poor personnel decisions, and immature handling of the players off the field.... 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, or MAYBE 4-12, he's gone.... Any better, I believe he gets a chance... Although, if he completely loses the locker-room (Ala Al Groh) he could win 7 games and still get fired....
I agree. Another brilliant "poll." Do we happen to have some of the most unintelligent fans in the NFL or do the disgruntled ones we have just all happen to congregate here?
Only my opinion. At the end of last season, Curtis Martin said that he had never been around a better coached team. Curtis rarely says a word, and I respect what he has to say. That aside, our defense - with basically the same cast as last year - has looked horrific. I think someone needs to come in, like a Donnie Henderson, to kick these guys in the ass and get them to play. I think our team has not been well prepared for games this season (and pre-season). But I remember what Mangini and Shotty accomplished last year, and I think that can be duplicated if the defense gets a couple pass rushers (I miss Abe) and maybe one or two more defensive changes. The front office? I don't think they've done anything wrong. I love this owner, who was willing to put up his own money to bring the Jets back to NYC and was willing to take a chance on our young coaches. I think our drafts have gotten the team decent players. And like I said, our team is basically the same as last year, and we did pretty good last year. People point to the schedule, but I think our schedule has been just as easy this year. We just sucked more than the other bad teams. I don't think drastic changes need to be made, except maybe a couple areas in defense. And I'll say one more thing that I know is not going to get us any more wins. I like recognizing players. I like seeing Vilma and Ellis and Robertson out there, guys that had pretty good seasons with us. And even though I think Chad HAS TO sit, I still like seeing him wear green and white.
The only criteria can be; 1) How well do they evaluate talent(On the team, for the draft, trades, free agents, who to release) 2) How well do they game plan vs. opponents each week. (Win or lose, was the gameplan sound) 3) Does the team perform above or below the level of it's talent? Everything else is BS. A good staff must be judged on these 3 things.
You can't get blood from a rock. End of story, they won last year with smoke and mirrors, they have serious weaknesses that any other coach can exploit.
We looked like a well coach team in the first half last week with no penalties and decent playcalling. Then, in the second half, everything turned to crap. It is really hard to analyze what exactly is going wrong from a fan's standpoint. It is easy to say its all on Chad or Mangini. I don't really know what to think, but I don't think he will be gone next year regardless.
The problem is the master?Bill Belichick never taught poor little Eric the 4-3 defense?he only taught him the 3-4. So you?re stuck with that scheme and you don't have the players to fill the role. Mangini should have passed on Revis, kept his picks and solidified the D-line.
Mangini isn't going anywhere. He was brought here to build a winning franchise. He was brought to built a newer, younger version of New England. A New York Jet organization that had a group of high character guys. A system that could bring the Jets into the forefront like Belli has done. He won't get fired and I think it's too soon for him to get fired. With that said, I'm not convinced Mangini is the long term answer. And I think he's done a horrible job this year. However, he's going to get the opportunity to bring in his guys and I think the Jets front office are in bed with Mangini that he'll get his way. The writing is on the wall for Vilma. Mangini will bring his personnel. The quarterback will have a lot to do with Mangini's success as a coach here. Clemens and Mangini are tied to the hip. If Clemens is a huge bust, Mangini's teams will likely suffer and Mangini will be out. If Clemens turns out to be a star, Mangini will have a solid base to build.
