What is a 'bust'?

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What do you consider a bust?

  1. Never lived up to draft position, but starts

    31 vote(s)
    32.6%
  2. A non-starter

    37 vote(s)
    38.9%
  3. Waste of a roster spot

    27 vote(s)
    28.4%
  1. notjustQBs

    notjustQBs New Member

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    NDmick, this is EXACTLY why I like this move for the OL this year, and believe we should stand pat with the RBs we have -- that No. 6 is for Gholston!
     
  2. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Yeah Gholston's my guy too but i don't know if he is going to be there. I still think so but he is everywhere in every respected mock draft.

    I he is the edge rush we are looking for.
     
  3. fenwyr

    fenwyr Active Member

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    I voted 1, and thy name be Dewayne Robertson. He was certainly a draft bust. Bryan Thomas doesn't fit here because Bradway over drafted for him, he reached. If Thomas was drafted in the 2nd round like everything leading up to the draft said he would be, far fewer people would be complaining about his production. Robertson on the other hand was some kind of can't miss juggernaut and was projected to be a top 5 pick.

    Schlegel was not a draft bust, but he was a football bust. Again, they took him a round early. Plenty of day 2 guys don't even make the team. But while reach Thomas has been a adequate starter, reach Schlegel is out of football.
     
  4. Greatful Jethead

    Greatful Jethead New Member

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    Hey Cakes you know somethin about Mezz that I dont??
     
  5. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    I've seen far better likenesses, but you still get a big :).

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    George Grey Barnard, he got it right.
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That outlook doesn't make any sense to me. I think you can make just as good a read about someone in a disaster season as you can in a winning season, and probably even better. Players' deficiencies can be masked when there is a good squad around them, and they get overrated. It's when there isn't support around them that you can tell if a player can overcome adversity.

    I don't want this to turn into another QB debate, but that's the problem I have with a lot of the Chad argument. Most of the Pro-Chad contingent is simply incapable of directing any blame toward the player in that type of debate, just to the unit. Revis astounded me last year with the type of performance he was able to deliver with little in terms of supporting cast for a large portion of the season. That is what you want to see from a burgeoning elite player. Not a bunch of excuses.
     
  7. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Football = Team sport.

    Say a guy follows his assignment and completes, but the guy next to him is complete and utter garbage. How is that not going to affect the other guy?

    A WR may be very talented, but if the O-line sucks the QB and RB will suck...therefore said WR's production might go down. We saw that just a couple years ago with Moss.
     
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  8. mesheler

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    Farve couldn't read coverages in Atlanta -- he never had to learn in college due to his incredible innate skill level. He was deemed a 'slow learner' and relegated to 3rd position. GB got him for a song and he had the chance to learn under Majikowski. He took the opportunity presented to him, with low expectations, and made the most of it. When he realized Maj's injury was his last chance, he took things seriously and developed quickly -- making the most of his talents. Not a smart man by any means, he rose above the first impressions.

    he can't be considered a bust because he was viewed as a risk (at best) or a development project (at worst.)

    That said, I chose option A, although a bust is anyone who falls drastically (emphasis here) below expectations (money or no money -- that is dictated by the market.)

    Synonyms include 'disappointment,' 'failure,' and 'underachiever.'

    Pennington cannot be considered a bust when drafted because he was the best of a bad QB class taken with a mid-First round pick.

    After he took over for Vinny and had such a surprisingly efficient year (remember comparisons to Montana?), he was rewarded with a huge contract. After that, new expectations were developed. He is a bust from that point on, similar to Kurt Warner, Herschel Walker, or Randy Moss (in Oakland.)

    I guess what I am getting at is that the league is very much of the mindset of "what have you done for me lately?" Thus, a player may be dynamically labeled a 'boom' or 'bust' at various stages of their career -- totally based on expectations! Way Ray Lucas a bust for the Jets? What about Curtis Martin?

    If I had a date with 60 year old Loni Anderson, but expected the 20 year old version, I'd think paying for dinner would be a bust ;)

     
  9. Altoona

    Altoona Well-Known Member

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    If that's truly the case, then Wolf screwed up royally and was a moron for not trading up.
     
  10. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    He did try to move up in front of Atlanta, one spot before Atlanta where the Cardinals sat. The deal was about to be struck before Arizona pulled out on draft day and cost us Farve.
    Fuckin desert pussies- cost us our QB.
     
  11. jets94nj

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    Johnny Mitchell and Blair Thomas biggest busts.
     
  12. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    other horrible Jets busts:

    Carl Barzilauskas (6th overall pick in 1974)
    Lam Jones (2nd overall pick in 1980; selected one spot in front of Anthony Munoz)
    Ron Faurot (15th overall pick in 1984)
    *Mike Haight (22nd overall pick in 1986)
    Roger Vick (21st overall pick in 1987)

    *The Jets entire 1986 draft was a disgrace. Haight played in 56 games for the Jets and Nuu Faaola played in 42. The other nine selections played in a combined 3 games for the Jets (Rogers Alexander 1 and Robert Ducksworth 2).
     
  13. Maryland Jet

    Maryland Jet New Member

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    All three scenarios are really busts I opt for not playing up to draft position because if you invert it and do play up to your draft position then you are definitely not a bust.
     

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