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  1. Drew

    Drew Active Member

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    Are you kidding me? 4 strikeouts tonight, one last night in his one at bat, this is pissing me off to no end. I'd love to defend him, but it's getting to the point where you just can't. I've never seen such an unclutch performer in my entire life. When he comes out with runners on and 1 out, I hope for a strikeout rather then him hitting into a double play.

    It's just gotten beyond bad.

    Sorry, had to rant.
     
  2. LolTolhurst

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    he probably still has 2 ABs left too! he very well might whiff 6 times tonight:lol:
     
  3. MisterMoss

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    That's all you got???

    Let is out man
     
  4. GreenMachine

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    And fans of other teams wonder why Yankee fans boo him......


    "But he was MVP last year...

    What is the operative word there?
     
  5. Uhm a Jets Fan

    Uhm a Jets Fan New Member

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    Idk he has had some clutch hits for us in the playoffs, not much though. This year is just bad plus isn't he like really sick right now or something.
     
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  6. LolTolhurst

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    it's a miracle!
     
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  7. FirstTimeCaller

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    My favorite Yankee.
     
  8. AlioTheFool

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    I have been an ARod supporter for a long time now. I held on until the Boston series, when I finally noticed what my brother has been saying all along.

    It's not that he can't hit because he can. Sometimes he can even get a clutch hit. It's when he utterly fails that is the problem. The strikeouts are bad enough, but the double plays are downright ridiculous. I have never seen anyone DP so often with the bases loaded and one out to ruin a perfectly good rally.

    Even that though, I was willing to forgive. What I discovered disturbs me even more. He doesn't even care!

    Watch his face when he grounds into a DP, or strikes out to end a game. He has this look on his face like "It's okay, I know I can play, boo me if you want, I am fine with me."

    That's where I draw the line. Failing is a problem. "The Best Player in Baseball" should not fail as often as he does, but let's face it, he isn't the first guy to fail in NY. Look at Kenny Rodgers. I can deal with failure. I cannot deal with being lackadaisical about it though.

    It's too bad no one else can afford him. We are stuck with him. I think the best thing to do right now is send him to the minors. Or at least threaten him with it. It worked for Giambi, maybe it will work for him. I know it's bad for PR, I know he's too expensive to play in the minors, etc. However, he is doing us no good here. Even benching him didn't work. (Let's be honest, a "throat infection" doesn't keep you out of the lineup.)
     
  9. MisterMoss

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    Well, I'm glad you've come around on him, but even I have to say that I think A-Rod cares. The thing is, his body language is all fabricated. He thinks about the way he looks, the way he acts, the way he carries himself. He THINKS. It's like watching a Disney movie. It's all a show. He's too image oriented. He doesn't just "do whatever". Earlier in the season, I remember him slamming his helmet on the ground after a DP (O'neill like). But I don't think repeatedly showing your emotion like that works out well either.

    But yet again, maybe he's failed so much that he's gotton used to it by now.
     
  10. Jerome 84

    Jerome 84 New Member

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    Clutch hitting is a myth. Arod has a lifetime 300 avg in the playoffs, and has the 2nd most game winning rbi's this year after ortiz. Jeter struck out last night in the 7th with the go ahead runner on 3rd and 2 outs. Not saying he didn't have a rough night last night, but give the guy a break. A .380 obp and 25 hrs isn't shabby at all. But because people have this idea that he isn't "clutch" every time he comes up with runners on base and makes an out people jump all over it, jeter comes up in the same situation and does the same thing and within 3 seconds everyone has forgotten about it. It's just natural statistical variation , it all evens out in the end. Arod and Jeter's lifetime batting averages in the regular season almost perfectly mirror their postseason averages. It's all in the publics perception of their performances.
     
  11. MisterMoss

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    That's an awful stat. Game winning RBI is credited to whoever drove the run after the grand total of runs scored by the opposing team. For example, if the game ends 10-3, the player on the winning team who drove in the 4th run would get credit for the GW RBI. In that case, it will probably be in the early innings. Bad stat.

    Jeter has as many meaningful hits this season than A-Rod has in 3 seasons as a Yankee
    How about this for a statistical variation. With a man on third and less than 2 outs, Arod is batting .244 with 12 STRIKEOUTS in 41 ABs (that's a situation where getting the ball into the outfield to bring in that run is premium). On the other hand Derek Jeter is batting .463 with only 5 STRIKEOUTS in 30 ABs. So Arod Ks 29% of the time in that scenerio, and Jeter 16%. That is horrible situation hitting, and we're not even looking at the Batting averages yet.
     
  12. Boss Revis

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    Please, don't come here with the sabermetric bullshit that clutch means nothing at all and its all by chance.

    Please don't.

    Clutch hitters do exist, and so do non clutch hitters.
     
  13. Phyr

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    Hey if the Yankees do bad in the playoffs we can just have a scapegoat! Its a win win situation.
     
  14. MisterMoss

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    Here are some more stats. When the game is in the 7th inning or later with the Yankees either ahead by one run, tied or with the potential tying run at least on deck, Arod is batting .203, 10 RBI, 21 Ks in 69 ABs. Jeter is batting .328, 15 RBI, and 12 Ks in 67 ABs in the same situation.
     
  15. LolTolhurst

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    A-Rod is gonna end up with something like: .290 avg. 32 hrs and 110 RBI. Not bad at all, but all people remember is clutch situations and the playoffs
     
  16. JetsVilma28

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    I truly believe NY fans have him so rattled. I look at his face, and I see a very desperate/scared player. The guy sucks. I bet he has lucky pennats and dances to will himself a hit, or a play for that matter. Melky, Cano, and Wang have been our highlights this year. We need to keep the baby bombers around.
     
  17. FrankTheTank

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    ....MVP?

    :lol:
     
  18. JetBlue

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    I don't see anywhere where he says clutch is chance. he is simply saying that a particular set of statistics show that AROD is clutch. of course, that lies in the interpretation of those statistics, which Mister Moss I believe has succesfully disputed.

    statistcally, AROD has good overall game winning stats, but that isn't the argument. the argument is if he has good clutch stats, which is entirely different, and when those stats are analyzed, he has done poorly in clutch situations.

    of course, that means we are defining clutch situation differently than situations in which the game winning run is merely scored, which again, as Mister Moss pointed out, could occur in early inning situations. sure, those hits could be considered somewhat clutch, but there is a difference between knowing the game is on the line with an at bat and knowing there are 6 more innings to tie or win the game. it is late inning hits that are generally considered clutch and which I assume is the definition most people are using.

    the point is, I think you simply wanted to throw around the word sabermetric.
     
  19. The Dark Knight

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    A-Rod............
     
  20. LolTolhurst

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    wow...A-Rod has a deathwish
     

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