With the up and down season we have had so far I thought it would be good to get an idea of the overall production that we have lost by cutting our previous "stars/leaders." 1. T Jones - 58/185 0TD 2. L Washington - 16/78 0TD (0 return TD) 3. A Faneca -retired 4. B Smith - rushing: 15/70 1TD receiving: 2/25 0TD (0 return TDs) 5. S Ellis - 7 tackles/0 sacks 6. J Cotchery - 0/0 0 TD 8. B Edwards - 4/48 0 TD
Edwards yes - Cotch & Smith no. Cotch is injured and we have Kerley & McKnight who are doing what Smith and JCo did for us. I still think Edwards is a better blocker than Plax and can run which provides more of a deep threat. But Plax's jump ball is 2nd to none. JCo I love as a player and will wear his Jersey with pride and would love to have him back as a quiet leader but from a playmaking perspective, that ship has sailed. EDIT: As much as I hate the stoopid fucking Yankees, I do like the Jets adaptation of letting go a year early than a year late.
I would accept them back BUT: Braylon, Cotch, Smith 2001 rec #s: 6 recs, 73 yds, 0 TDs Kerley: 9 recs, 82 yds, 1 TD The leon thing has been put to bed, I still didn't like the compensation for him but it's hard to argue we haven't easily replaced him. TJ is basically done and LT was better a year ago Faneca is out of the game Ellis wasn't great last year except for the Pats game I questioned allowing leaders to walk after '09 but we were fine in '10, that stuff comes up when we lose but this team still has a chance to be a top team and lack of leadership won't be the reason why if we fail.
Not really fair to evaluate Braylon right now, let's see how he does starting this sunday when he comes back either this sunday or next and is the number 1 option in that offense. I still think for the $$$ he got it was a mistake letting him walk, but I agree with the notion that his ego would've never allowed him to walk back in the same locker room as Tone for less then 5 mil per year.
he wasn't coming back for that amount of money especially after Holmes got the big deal. I wanted Braylon back but the Jets didn't, we saw a glimpse of what Plax can become- that huge RZ target. Notcie how we are scoring many mroe TDs than FGs in the RZ? Plax is a big reason why and as good as Braylon was we struggled in the RZ w/ him. I wanted him back but we have enoug WRs to win big.
This was sent to Jenkins on a twitter I saw........ Dear Ex-Player... We get that you are "Telling it like it is" We get that you played the game and we have not... But, get this... Many of us have studied and watched the game and seen the media reltionship and the ex-player to Media routine since before you were in 3rd grade... And the thing that gets me Every time, the Ex-player quickly reverts to the "Lack of Leadership" card once they are out of the locker room and the team loses a few games. I wait for it.. Hmm, ned guy ex-player is now at 'X' radio station, lets see if/when he pulls the card - WHOA, there it is, here comes Tiki. We've seen in over and over again. And over again. And you know what - When you were in that locker room there were people talking the same exact thing. And of course, You probably said "well, That guy is not in OUR Locker room" Round and round.. 2009... Lack of leadership when the jets thought they missed the playoffs. 2010 - Lack of leadership without TJ and Faneca OMG!!!!! 2011 Lack of leadership..... To me, it's "YAWN".... You think you're coming here with some headline news. But, to us watching the Jets for 40+ years, for those watching sports for 40+ years, it's the same ol e regurgitated, back to the well claim you see EVERY SINGLE YEAR... Look at the Giants - Every year same thing - Even the year they won the Super Bowl, there were claims of no leadership when they lost... LOL TIKI BARBER - OOPS!!!! Already this year the Giants have been to leadership hell and back. To me, Leadership is at the core - it doesn't come and go like the wind with a few wins or losses!!!!!! To me it's 110% complete meaningless Shlock to play the leadership card as an authority of some locker room. You wanna tell us insider from the locker room info - Tell us If Duscasse wil EVER Make it.. Tell Us about Gholston when he was there.. Show us film - Break it down!!!! Because what REALLY matters is TALENT. If Ducasses and Gholston were what they were supposed to be, then leadership would mean very little with ther next Demarcus Ware and solid OL depth holding it together..... Fact is, there is a salary cap and you have to cut guys to save cap room - it's the replacement that really matters and it's the Draft that allows that transition of TALENT. Is Leadship REALLY the issue - Or was it an OL in deep ####? TALK X's and O's. Talk TALENT!!! Nothing I like more than the "playbook" style of shows and seeing Ex-Players break down film and talk about what he did or looked for ON THE FIELD.... Are you really a FOOTBALL insider or are you looking to be the next TMZ style inside reporter of ####? Nobody should aspire to be the next Tiki Barber - Guy should be a hero in NY today but, he had little fans left and gets boo'd.... Why? because at the 1st opportunity he had, he pulled the same oldcrap out of his media playbook - "Leadership"!!!!......... Really????? So the team wins the Super Bowl without your blessing and you can't even step inside the stadium... Pitty. Apparently you knew nothing about leadership. As soon as I see some guy talking about Leadership he drops down a few notches in my book of FOOTBALL and that ex-player becomes the next Tiki.
Very time some Jack### mentions the loss of Faneca I want to bash my head into a wall..... WTF!!!!!!! Guy is like 195lbs right now and hasn't been good in 3 years.
There's no Leadership in Madden. If you're running the team based on the model that Madden puts out you probably wind up with no leadership after awhile.
Washington and Smith weren't leaders, but a lot of us were upset to have lost them, I included them bc we are getting just as much from McKnight if not more. As for Efwards I think you can make the point that he was considered a leader on the field, from the excitement he brought to the huddle.
In my opinion player "leadership" is very overrated - talent and execution are vastly more important to a team's success. Coaching in general (which can affect execution), and the choice of schemes in particular (playing to your players' strengths and your opposition's weaknesses, adapting on the fly to changes in circumstance) comes next. A lot of the rest of what passes for "leadership" is just random chance, which is the next most important thing (especially in a league with only 16 games in the season). Maybe after all of that you might have the effects of the presence or absence of player leaders in the locker room. You can't be a professional athlete without having a big ego and supreme self-confidence, so it's hardly surprising that they are the biggest believers in intangibles - after all, if there weren't such things most of them would be completely interchangeable, which is hardly a pleasant thought to contemplate.
It doesn't really mean they would have had that production with us. Different systems, Different situations. So you can't just say they would do shit for us, That's kinda bull shit. Although cutting J-Co wasn't a bad decision considering he has been injured the whole season.
The fact every single player on this list raised some eyebrows when we got rid of them, and not One of them has done anything says a lot about our FO's ability to cut ties with a player at the right time. Honestly the only guy on this list who I could see doing anything this season would be Edwards and that is assuming he comes back somewhat near full strength.
