I keep seeing this when people are talking about corners on this defense, and I keep realizing that there is no proof to back it up. Rex may PRIORITIZE high talent corners, but that isn't because he has the ability to get more out of them. Don't fall into the Revis trap. Yeah, Rex stepped in and, immediately, Revis started playing at an All-World level. That's the exception, not the rule. Revis was already elevating his game by the time Rex arrived, Rex's scheme just allowed his ability to flourish. Aside from Revis, somebody please name one single cornerback that Rex and Co. was able to raise the ability level on. Was it Lito Sheppard? LOL. Was it Cromartie? Cro was traded for because he had all-world physical ability and 10 cents worth of technique. Cro got here and did the exact same thing he did in SD, aside from a fluke year in 2012. Was it Wilson? He was drafted in 2010 and immediately placed at the nickel spot and only last season did he actually begin to arrive at the level they expected him to play at. Rex prioritizes high level corners because HIS WEAKNESS is developing cornerbacks. Look at the 2009 #1 defense that Rex coached. Whose level did Rex's defense raise? The corners? The safeties? The linebackers? Hell NO. It was the defensive line. Yeah, I know, they had Kris Jenkins. The also had and aging Shaun Ellis, Marquez Douglas, Sione Pouha, Mike DeVito, and Howard Green. "But those guys were good players!!" My ass. Those were the players that Rex was able to elevate. They were mostly JAGs. People only remember them positively because Rex was able to elevate them. That lame lineup was a huge part of the #1 defense in the league. Rex KNOWS how to get the most out of defensive linemen. That's his call. He prioritizes high value corners because that is his WEAKNESS.
I don't think he makes his corners better, but I think he knows how to scheme for what his corner's talents are in such a way that it isn't the end of the world that we don't have two pro bowl corners.
Maybe the play of guys like Lito / Wilson / Cro / Milliner WAS raised. It's just hard to say how good or bad a player might have been under a different HC. They might have sucked 10 times worse, just don't know.
Some of the BS on this forum that people make up - Rex totally needs 2 shutdown corners to even stand a chance in this league! - Kyle Wilson sucks, he does nothing right! - Jets need to draft a CB in the first round, otherwise we stand no chance! Get Rex a good FS prospect and an ILB that can cover and all that CB bullshit will be left for the birds.
Well I dunno who was doin' their job out there 09-12 if Cro sucked, Wilson sucks, Sheppard sucked, Strickland sucked, there was no passrush, the Safeties sucked and the LBs were slow. Who the fuck was doing their job out there 09-12 when they had a top 5 pass D every year?
That's kind of relative. All Rex had to work with was a rookie who never played before and a broken down mule.
Rex Ryan do something to piss you off today? Our passing defense has by far been the best since rex been here, and it damn sure wasnt that way before he got here. He puts his players in a position to do good and produce better with his confusing blitz schemes n shit. I mean just watch opposing QB's verse us as compared to going against other teams.. QB's often look confused and dont put up very good numbers. This year i dont know wtf happend but the greatness transitioned over to the DL over from the secondary. Rex gets the most out of his defense as a unit. Thats why we love him here, if it werent for rex's defense we woulda easily been a 2-4 win team these last couple years like we were projected to be.
This is complete bs,His weakness?really?his weakness is coaching offense not coaching corner backs ,what a troll type of thread title.Our passing defense has always been solid under Rex this is the lamest thing I've ever read.And Rex elevated Cros game in 2012 when Revis went down but Cro wasn't able to sustain it due to injury or unrealistic expectations of himself,we had num 1 passing defense that year
Revis was most of the reason for our pass defense success. Letting Cro cover #2s made things a lot easier on him. Wilson has done well as a slot CB and he had some flashes of being good as a #2 but just too inconsistent to be reliable. Jury's still out on Milliner. Potential to be great or a bust, who knows? Our backups haven't been the greatest.
Interesting perspective. Strickland and Coleman come to mind. I think Rex found a nice niche in his defense for them and got more out of them than other teams have. I think that probably has more to do with his ability to scheme than specifically his ability to get more out of CB's though.
To me Rex is way overrated as a defensive "genius." He isn't one. His schemes often don't work and his teams regularly give up big plays on third downs. His players love him because he's aggressive and gives them the opportunity to make plays, sometimes too much so. He's had his way in the draft for year's now selecting primarily D players. I still feel the same way about him. He cares more about his defense getting numbers and high league ratings (and those numbers can be questioned) than winning. I've never heard him once after a game throw out O stats or brag about that side of the ball. Rex is a true DC but not a great one.
No, Rex didn't piss me off. I'm a big Rex fan. But I'm also not going to delude myself about his weaknesses. I made my argument and you are making some kind of generalized crap argument to the opposite without even bothering to address what I talked about. Rex has elevated mediocre players in the defensive trenches while relying on the skills of high value corners and not elevating their skills much at all aside from Revis. That is a fact.
Strickland was already a solid nickel corner when he arrived in NY. Coleman never elevated above drippy shit in his entire career.
Nothing you just posted appears anywhere in my OP. Stop acting like a jilted woman and make a real argument
Drew Coleman. Total garbage to a serviceable nickelback in 2009. Antonio Cromartie, huge career year in 2012. You don't have those things happen by accident. You don't have all of your CB's in the top 15 in terms of adjusted rating in 2009. What Rex does is to adjust to his personnel better than most coaches. He's particularly good with the defensive backfield. It just takes him some time to make the adjustments. Last year he force-fed Milliner into press coverage a lot of the time. When that turned out to be a bad posture for the defense he went out and got a true FS, albeit an older declining guy, and began to mix in enough zone that Milliner became dangerous playing off the ball. Rex is going to adjust to his personnel. He always does, it just takes time. Next year he's not going to have the personnel to press as much as he has in the past. He'll adjust. He has some of the most innovative zones in his playbook, next year he'll have to use them again. We've seen him use the tight zones to great effect. Next year we'll see some of the deep stuff.
