I hope we didn't waste that 2nd round pick http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/8026/20080423/the_jets_dont_have_faith_in_clemens/
I'm really not reading much into that article. It would be a huge mistake to give up on clemens after just one year. Pennington won't start, this organization is too smart to start pennington. Clemens needs time to develop and i definitely saw some major talent, as he led two minute drives against the ravens and redskins. I would be so pissed off if the jets take matt ryan. That would be an absolutely terrible pick and i think all this interest in Ryan is just a way to get the Ravens or Panthers into trading up.
Could be the Jets do have confidence and are sending signals that Ryan is their guy in order to generate trade appeal for their slot at 6 or for someone to jump ahead of us and pick him so that we have a better shot at landing Gholston/Long/McFadden....
The Jets cannot possibly know what they have in Clemens at this point. The offensive line was so bad last year that it reduced both QB's chances to succeed dramatically. If Chad was 3 years younger or had less of a medical history we'd have written off his struggles last year as being Adrien Clarke-inspired and we'd be sitting tight on him this year. If the Jets don't give Clemens a real chance to succeed, which he should have this season with the additions of Faneca and Woody, it's on their heads when we get on the 8-8/4-12 treadmill as a result. Clemens may not be the answer, but spending more prime value on a QB until the Jets know for sure is just asking for failure.
His numbers at Oregon definitely weren't eye popping. I don't know what they saw in the kid besides the fact that he has the Anti-Chad Arm
It was his leadership the Jets liked, along with the arm. Oregon has been an up and down team over the years and they looked very cohesive with him at QB. The Jets were looking for a game manager with a reasonably strong arm and no history of arm troubles. Clemens fit that bill.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that the Jets have no confidence in Clemens. What on earth has he done that would cause them to? Be the worst QB in the league? Yup..he's done that.
If they have serious doubts about Clemens why would it be a recipe for disaster to take someone who they believe can be a franchise QB? Even if they both turn out to be good, they can just keep the best guy and trade the other. If they don't take a guy they think can be a franchise QB when they have the opportunity and Clemens doesn't work out, where does that leave us? I would think that would be a bigger recipe for disaster knowing they have doubts and passing on what they think could be the answer.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that TGG has no confidence in Don. What on earth has he done that would cause them to? Be the worst poster in the history of the internet? Yup..he's done that Tom Brady himself couldn't led the Jets to 10 wins with that offensive line...now with that hypothetical, would you throw him under the bus after a bad season?
Wow..that's the best you can do? I guess when he can't be defended you resort to personal attacks, right? Oh and didn't Pennington play behind that same line?
I'm not going to post again the list of QB's that had truly terrible seasons their first season as a starter and then went on to win super bowls and even make the hall of fame, but if Clemens were to do that he'd be in good company. The key to all of those bad first (and in a couple of cases second) seasons was the same: lousy offensive line.
That wasnt a personal attack. I spoke the truth with any aggressive connotation in my post. Explain how thats an attack.... Yes, Penny did. He sucked as well, but I thought that was obvious. What games were you watching last year?
That statement is a FACT! The Jets were among the 5 worst offensive lines last year. No QB can accurately throw, stay in the pocket, and make good decisions when the offensive line in front of him is collapsing. Kellen will be better this year and he absolutely should win the starting job.
We had, thanks to the FO for neglecting the OL for years, one of the most if not the most crappy O-line in the NFL. I believe in Clemmons. I don't beleive in Chad aka noodlearm. With the new additions to the OL( and yes I really don't think we are done wheelin and dealin ) you will see Clemmons throwing deep. We will most diffinely draft OL and QB. Chad will be gone. We will also I hope draft a BIG WR, finish both OL and DL lines and get that target for our QB.
Actually, he didn't suck. Not by any of the statistics that QBs are rated by. Only Clemens did. Now if you want to say the team sucked with both of them then you're right. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfl&season=2&year=2007
The problem with taking Ryan instead of a player who improves the pass rush, or trading down for extra picks, is that the Jets have real needs elsewhere that they are going to have to fill before they become successful. Having spent the pick on Clemens they need to try to get real value out of it before they just give up on him. To those saying that this is like Brees and Rivers and the Chargers situation, you could not be farther from the truth. The Chargers had laid major groundwork for the type of move they made for Rivers by trading down in previous drafts and stockpiling picks. They were a very rich team in value and depth at the time the Manning-Rivers situation presented it self, and even then they traded down for amazing value when they took Rivers, getting Shawne Merriman in addition to Rivers on the deal. The Jets have done the opposite, consistently trading up for people who are now busts, or no longer with the team and they are among the poorest teams in the league value and depth-wise at the moment. They just have not laid the groundwork to be able to pick another QB to have value depth there. They're too weak elsewhere.
that line of stats doesn't include "picked for 6" :up: Its obvious debating with you is like debating with an emotional woman. Clearly there is no room for logic.
If this is true, no longer a fan. Kidding. He started a handful of games, against tuff teams. All the posts about O-Line are agreeable. Give the a kid this offseason were he "knows" he will start and another year to show what he is worth. You can draft Matt Ryan on Saturday, Kellen will still likely be the starter come September.
I don't give a fck about the stats. I watched him play last season and he was horrible. I'm not taking blame off the poor o-line, but he was absolutely horrible.
