I just voted for the reason the Jets lost: the defense. When the results showed up, I saw that a huge proportion of voters believed that Pennington was to blame. This shows me the sad situation many of the visitors to this site are in with regard to their knowledge of the game. Although you could lay the blame equally on the D and on Chad, the fact that so many are unable to understand the most basic thing that influenced the way the game played out is somewhat appalling, as these are people that make a point of coming to a message board to discuss football. I know that different people have varying levels of understanding when it comes to football, but it is not hard to think about why something happens. The problem is that too many people are ball watchers, and they look at results instead of causes. I am not going to spell out what this means because it's not worth my time. Although almost every INT is the fault of the QB, you need to ask why the player was put in such a position, especially after having a lead for over half the game. Lay blame evenly where it is due. If you can't figure this out, find somewhere else to post.
That type of logic is exactly what I am talking about. Forget the 9 yards on first down, the line getting blown off the ball, the inability to tackle a former Jets reject RB or push a WR one foot to get him OB. Thank god those in the know actualyl get it. If anyone listened to Bill Parcells' comments before the Monday nighter then they heard a legitimate, informed opinion....but I guess he just won a super bowl and has a winning career record because he's lucky, right? And 9 yards on first down. If it wasn't for their horrible play-calling in the first half, we'd have been blown out of the water after 2 quarters. People need to realise that when an opponent scores points on almost every possession and we run the ball for 2.5 yards per carry, there's not nothing else the offense can do but pass. It literally blows my mind that the people on this site cannot fucking figure that out, and furthermore can't understand why it just might lead to less success in the passing game.
Your opinion on the poll is not a fact. It's pretty arrogant of you to preach the way you just did and to tell people to post somewhere else if they don't agree with you. wtf The defense was responsible for scoring 10 points. The FG before the half was because of the defense - the CS was scared to even try passing with Pennington. Special Teams was responsible for 7 points. The offense was responsible for 7 points. Pennington had all day to pass the ball for most of the game and was able to lead the offense to 7 lousy points. Pennington was responsible for giving up 7 points as well as throwing away a chance for at least 3 more when he threw a retarded interception on first and 10 in the red zone. He also set them up for another score with the other pick. So as far as I can see, Pennington earned us 0 points at best and probably cost us at least 3 more making him personally responsible for -3 points on the day. So yeah, I put most of the blame on him - I guess I'm just not a football genius like you. edit: If your expectation is for the defense to score at least a TD a game while giving up 0 points, then yeah I guess you can put more blame on the defense for the loss. Again, we have someone who assumes putting blame on Pennington takes all blame away from everyone else. That's not true and frankly it's quite ignorant and getting real annoying. It is possible that people blaming Pennington see all the other problems on this team.
our defense scored almost as many points as our offense. our offense had 10 points in a game in which we scored 24. a game in which pennington threw a pick which led to us going down by 4. so instead of driving for a drive that wouldve been the go ahead 3 pt ld td. he throws another pick. this game was very winnable, big plays allowed on d included. a qb's job isnt to throw the game away. and thats EXACTLY what pennington did. its not the defenses job to score. we had two chances in the 4th qtr, 1st was to seal the game. 2nd was to come from behind and take the lead. our defense is porous but theyve made the right plays at the right time and if the offense didnt meltdown in the 4th qtr or wasnt totally predictable or mccareins had hands, wed probably be 3-2 and not 1-4 the pattern here is when it came time to win these games the offense choked. when your put in position to win you do it. our defense is obviously not good enough to hold people to 14 points and under week in and week out. but they at least make these games winnable for a capable offense.
The Majority of the Pennington haters have come to the obvious conclusion that our Defense will take at least two draft years to get the players that are suited for the 3-4. We know we will stink and we realize that we do have the weapons on Offense to give us a punchers chance to win a game. Our Wr, Te and Rb's are good. We have a Qb that can not get the ball to them 15 yards down the field. There will never be a running game because the Opposing team only has to guard 20 yards on the field and they can put 8 in the box whenever they want to prevent our running game. With a Qb that can spread the Defense we have a chance to win. If your sitting here saying the Pennington supporters don't understand football and are going to defend a defense that is obviously not tooled to play the scheme that the coach wants then you might be the one that does not understand the game. Please explain to me what you expect out of a 3-4 defense stacked with 4-3 players. Not to mention if we get down by 10 and Chad has to throw the game is over. If you feel the Cp supporters don't know what they are talking about then maybe you need to watch all the analyst on every show saying Chad must go. To name a few Emmit Smith, Chris Collinsworth, Chris Carter, etc, etc. Chad is a joke at this point to the so called experts that have played the game.
First of all, be aware that I am in no way saying Chad isn't to blame. Secondly, your statement that I quoted cannot be used as an excuse for the D. The fact that they scored a TD does not make up for the fact that they laid down in the second half and made us have to come from behind yet again. Willie, this stuff is common sense, seriously. Listen to NFL radio if you get a chance, where every show has at least 1 former NFLer or NFL coach/GM, etc. These guys can speak knowledge, and they break things down talking X's and O's, not NFL.com individual game stats. They get it, and they have played it. Everyone has called out Pennington for his play, and they are right to do so, but understanding how this game works and why certain things happen is not an opinion, it is a result of understanding it and wanting to be able to make educated comments about what I see during the game. Everyone should do that if they want their comments to be taken seriously. Look at last year's Chicago Bears, remember them? I don't expect to have a D like that, but it is pretty that being weak overall on one side of the ball is far worse for team success than being strong overall on one side of teh ball and weak at the QB spot (one position on a team as opposed to 11) And we aren't even weak at QB, we are just falling victim to the fact that our inabilities as a team are exposing our QB's inabilities as an individual, and the results are ugly.
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jtuds you can type and type but the unfortunate situation is that your are dealing with a huge mass of people that are clueless and at the same time frustrated. I wholeheartedly agree with your statements...but I some of those picks were uncalled for....I am a chad fan, i like the way he plays the game and I am sad to see him being persecuted like this, but at the same time..he made some big time error throws in buffalo and vs the giants..throws that a supposed QB with his smarts being his strongest asset should not make. If and when he is traded to a legit team with a proper running game and an above avg defense the man will suceed and i will root him on!! FOLKS the harsh reality is that this team SUCKS. I personally blame it on the coaches and front office this time...I think you all should feel the same way..what sense does it make to have player out of position on D,m and getting a running back but not beefing up the o-line instead you send your veteran to the redskins and have some shmuck replace him...ITS TANGINIS fault..that were teh blame rests
Wouldnt have had to throw the ball if defense could stop anything. IE; That wonderful tackle made by Dyson to give up the go ahead points. Blatant missed tackle for a TD
I don't know why you guys are afraid to single out some players like Chad. As I've said, I'm the anti-Chad, but I'm also down on guys like Thomas for not generating a pass-rush despite a huge salary, Ellis for being just mediocre, DRob for not showing up and occupying blockers, some of our CB's for not stepping up their game. How is someone saying that Chad played like shit an indicator that we don't know our stuff? Last time I checked, that arm and brain were firmly attached to Pennington. Pocket collapsing, monster pass rush- no problem, throw it away or take the sack- don't throw it right to your opponent.
If Chad doesnt leap up like a homo and throw that disgraceful pick in the endzone but instead acts like a man, realizes the blitz was picked up and we score there...we win.....and the whole part about if we dont agree with a 17 year old canadien we should post somewhere else is a bit absurd
During the game thread you were actively calling for the Jets D to injury Giants players. During the same thread you gave up on the Jets. Now you're calling other posters out for not being able to figure things out. It literally blows my mind that a guy like you, could be calling other posters intelligence into question.
At the end of the game the defense needed a stop to give our offense a chance to win. They got the stop and put the game in the offenses hands. The offense failed. The defense wasn't great that game but they did give us a chance to win it in the end. ANd really thats the most we can hope for from this group right now. We can certainly hope for more then 7 - 10 points from the offense though. They should be better then that with the people they have.
Jtuds I saw that and thought how retarded the leading vote was as well. This is a team sport , possibly the ultimate team sport? When we lose we lose as a team , not down to an individual. The ultimate decisions are made by the CS , if someone is not up to the job , then they either need more coaching (if possible) or they don't deserve to play. The season rests firmly on the CS and to some extent the FO as well.
The offense is primarily Chad's fault. The defense has been bad for a number of reasons, no one player can deserve the blame like Chad can.
