I have to credit Red75Bronco for this thread. In a post today, he stated: "What do these kind of threads say about the Jets' fans? Expect mistakes, expect highs and lows, and for god sake have some patience. The biggest thing is progress from week to week. If that is seen then there is nothing to complain about." He's right. We need to keep a positive outlook, fellas. At least, that's what I'm going to do. I'll be at the game Sunday and I look forward to watching Kellen and seeing how he progresses from here. This game may or may not show much of anything, but it's going to be fun watching him from here and see how well he progresses. The season is gone, but at least we can pull for him to progress as a QB and hope next year will be a better one for us.
Do you realize there is nothing to be positive about right now? This season is a complete disaster on so many levels. I admire your stance, but honestly, I think that the real fans are disgruntled, upset and PISSED OFF... and rightfully so. I'll be pulling for Clemens too, but that doesn't change the fact that the season totally bites the big one.
I'm with you, and I've said as much all along this year. Even if we don't win another game, (though I feel we will win a few before all is said and done), as long as we see this team progressing, I'll be happy. We haven't seen progression so far this year, and that's been my biggest problem. The OLine looks better each week, but we'll see later in the year when we're back playing elite defenses. The running game has picked up, but again, let's see later in the year. The D has kept us in games. Let's see what happens against good offenses though. The one area many of us wanted to see improvement in (read "a change") is QB. We have that now. Let's see if Clemens is an improvement, or if it's back to the drawing board. He doesn't have to win, but he needs to show us that he has potential. Progress. That's all I'm asking for.
I don't know. Adrian Clarke looked like he had a Helmet with a headset wired to play the 'Hokey Pokey' Why does the CS NOT put in an Extra Tackle as a TE, in must have running situations...Bender was active yesterday, yet...on a must run situation, you are trying to fake out the other guy, instead of running him over...
Lost in the Mangini press conference was his discussion of Bender getting extra work at RT and LG. This isn't just about Clemens anymore, but about the entire team. Let's see the Benders and DeVitos, etc. on the roster show whether or not they can produce. Yes, I'll be looking for progress from Clemens, but we also need to determine who deserves to be back next year and who doesn't....
If nothing else, Chad had ample time to throw yesterday. That's improvement. We're not sending anyone to the Pro Bowl, but it will be nice if they give KC some time to drop back and sit in the pocket for a blink or two. Let Clemens open the run game, and suddenly the OLine won't look so bad.
I didnt get to hear it. Bender should be playing LG right now, with an eye toward moving him out to tackle, when Clement is done, depending on the availability of either position in the draft...
That is a pretty shitty outlook. Think about it before you say that. D'Brickashaw Ferguson is playing more and more like the guy we expect him to be. Darrelle Revis has probably been the best cornerback on the team, and David harris started yesterday and did a swell job. Also, we know that when the O-line blocks, Thomas Jones can be the RB we want him to be. There are positives, you're just fixed on negativity.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bender start against the Skins; Clarke was absolutely terrible yesterday, easily his worst game yet....
ITA...It just kills me seeing Clarke in there. I got used to Brandon Moore, since they thought so much of him to extend him through 2013, and since I dont hear his number called in every crucial situation... If it were me, I'd put him next to Ferguson, because he's smaller (296ish) and put Bender next to Clement...which would make the right side Large...
Yes! This whole team needs to be on alert right now. As far as I'm concerned, the only positions were we don't have glaring problems are WR and RB. Then we look like we have keepers with Revis and Harris. After that, we have Mangold, and D'Brick. Then nothing else. Every other position is up for grabs at this point. Guys either have to perform, or they'll be replaced, and that's the way it should be.
What you and Baamf have said in this thread shouldn't be overlooked. Making a major decision like replacing your QB is a VERY hard decision to make. Once made though, it makes all other decisions seem like a piece of cake. All of a sudden, replacing other positions, even major positions, seem minor compared to the one you just had to make, that of replacing the heartbeat of the team, the QB. I'm not trying to say that Mangini has been gunshy and afraid to pull the trigger. For whatever reasons known probably only to him or a handful of confidants, he chose yesterday's game to pull the trigger. Now, having done that, it makes replacing others much less gut-wrenching. All I can say is, anyone who wants to be on the roster next year has 8 games left to show good cause.
Agree completely...let's hope that all that review of the tape that Mangini keeps promising us week after week translates into on-field improvement. He's been saying for weeks now that he'll look at the tape and make his decisions based on that. I really hope he has been and continues to evaluate players on a regular basis so that the most deserving get the playing time they've earned...I don't want this team to become another "Club Vet" where tenure justifies playing time.
227, I can't believe you used the "progress" excuse. That is the same shit we've heard from Mangini all year. I didn't think we would get to the playoffs last year, but this shit aint progress either..... we are backpedaling like a Pop Warner DB against Jerry Rice. Yeah, Clemens has this year to show us we don't need to go for a QB in the first freaking round next year, but f'n "progress" isn't gonna be good enough. He needs to prove he is an NFL QB, NOW, not f'n progress. He's had enough clipboard time..... either he's a QB or he aint. We have 8 games to find out, and "progress" won't be enough. he has to prove himself, and do it now.
God forbid, we had enough of that with Herm, sitting guys like Lamont Jordan while he ran the ankles off the hobbling Curtis Martin. Ridiculous.
I agree here. Clemens has a couple of games to get his feet on the ground and show he has the stones to play QB in the NFL. I wish those games had been Cincy and Buffalo, but it is what it is. For the record: Terry Bradshaw looked really terrible behind the Steelers papier mache lines in his first season or two. So did Terry Hanratty the Steelers "veteran" who shared time with him. Then the line came together and everything started to go more smoothly. Of course that was a different time and Bradshaw was dealing with one defensive end going for his knees and the other putting a forearm to his helmet as he got sandwiched. Clemens is going to need to put together a passable game against one of Washington, Pittsburgh or Dallas or he's going to be in some trouble. He really should engineer a win against one of those 3 teams if he wants to begin to create the Kellen Clemens era.
The thing that annoys me the most about the way Mangini has handled this QB thing is that he waited till now to make the switch he should have made a number of games ago. Now KC has to come in against three tough teams in a row to try to get comfortable when he could have gotten his feet wet playing weaker teams where he had a better chance of success. I still have a tiny bit of faith in Mangini, but nothing like I had at the end of last year.
Look, I hope Clemens shows us something. He was impressive in preseason and against Baltimore, but I need to see a lot more from him. Yesterday's appearance in the final 3+ minutes was not impressive. Now I know that I can't judge him by what happens in garbage time, but I need to see a lot more to be optomistic about him as our future QB. That's all that the Jets can do for the rest of this season. Think of 2007 as one big preseason for 2008 and see if Clemens can get the job done. If he can't do it, the Jets had better make a smart QB pick in the draft.
You make some good points. points that I did not allude to. I don''t mean Clemens has to come in and win games.... I mean he has to show he has that ability. That doesn't mean winning as much as showing he has what it takes to be an NFL QB. Let's face it, we suck, and neither Joe Willie or Joyhnnie U could make this team win right now. Progress is fine, but we need to see more than just progress from Clemens. We need to see a QB that has the tools and smarts needed to win. Sure, progress is part of that, but it in and of itself is not enough. Does this kid have the potential to be a really good QB? If he does, he should show more than progress, he should have some shining momemnts too. Promise, rather than just progress. Mangini's progress retort has landed us mid season with one win. It's Almost a loser's lament in my vocabulary now. Progress means winning games. Using that word to describe losing taints it. I don't want to wait beyond 2008 to win.... and Mangini better figure it oit soon, or the long leash he is on is gonna get a lot shorter in a hurry.
