Have you seen him talk though? He’s awfully goofy man. Forget the religious stuff, he’s like a Star Wars nerd who plays dungeons & dragons.
I think most stuff like this comes down to whether the guy is good or not. If he is, no one cares. If he's not good, people have less patience for personality traits and views they don't agree with.
QB with 3d or 4th round picks is just a waste of a pick. If you look back, we have only Dak as a starting QB drafted that low, and that was 10 years ago. The League has accounted for that by now. Purdy I am not even counting, Shanahan makes everyone half decent look good: Jones looked just as good, Jimmy G, etc... The point is, you can't even name a QB picked that late who was a successful starter who led his team to play-offs. However, there are actually quite a few QBs drafted high, even recently, that did or are doing it this year. Caleb, Daniels, Maye, Nix, Stroud, Lawrence, Burrow, Herbert, Love were all drafted since 2020, are solid to great QBs who played major role for their teams to make play-offs or will make play-offs this year. Tua and Mac Jones also had very good years at some point and helped their teams make play-offs, and Young has a chance this year. Most of these guys top 3 picks but some are later in the 1st, though all but Love top 12. My point is that you CAN pick up a QB in the draft and he can lead you to play-offs, this is not so unusual. It's been done as you can see quite a few times in recent memory. But you have to spend a high pick to do it, 1st rounder and likely very high 1st rounder. It's NOT been done in recent history with 3d or 4th or even 2nd. So why not do what other teams did with success? Yes, it will cost you, but do we want to try to make play-offs or not? If yes, we need a top talented QB. And that means a high 1st round pick, and probably top 3. Mel Kiper is not end all be all, but he does represent close to consensus view: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/...per-big-board-top-prospects-players-positions . He has Moore, Mendoza, and Simpson as top 5 overall prospect, with Moore and Mendoza as top 2. Which is why I am hoping Moore will declare. This is not Kenny Picket draft we are talking about here. Now, to your point not everyone picked high will be successful. We know it first hand with Zach and Fields. But we have to keep trying because there is a reasonably high probability of getting someone decent as I showed you. But not with mid round pick, but with a top pick, and we need to try to do it this year because there are some top guys who might declare.
Agreed Which is why if we don’t use a first round pick on a QB this year, I’d prefer not to draft a QB at all…for most teams, but surely for us, using any other pick on a QB is a waste of a pick, whether it be a 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounder, don’t matter, it’ll be a throwaway. Use that pick on a positional player instead of wasting it on a delusional pipe dream that we can somehow “develop” a mid round QB into a viable starter. It’s a myth.
Of course that is good enough to end the play off draught. But I don't think we have the coaching staff in house to turn Mendoza to a Matt Ryan or Jared Goff. He will be another wasted pick. Wish we can get rid of Glenn one way or another and bring in somebody from the offensive side of the ball. Look at Colts. They hired Eagles's offensive coordinator as HC and signed Daniel Jones and they are 8-2. Sometimes football isn't as complicated but with Woody it looks as complicated as rocket science.
Ben Johnson too, we need one of these offensive guys. The fact we hired another DC is sickening. When everyone zigs we zag into oblivion.
I just don’t get it? Do you just want to avoid ever drafting a QB again because you think you need a QB savant or else they’re going to be shitty? You have to keep taking QB’s dude. You can’t just avoid it and try to rock with retread free agents. That’s how you never hit on one. The landscape of college football has changed drastically over the past decade though. Prospects are playing longer and have more experience. The 3rd and 4th round picks are coming out with tons of experience. Guys that went in those rounds used to be flyers based on skill either with limited experience or simply air raid stat accumulators. That’s not the case any more.
Sorry, but you can apply your rational to first rounders too. That beign the case, we will never have a top notch QB. You have to keep on trying. You also have to find or have someone in your staff that has an eye for QBs and knows potential when he sees it. Q
Obviously the skepticism about the Jets being unable to hit on/develop a rookie QB is well-founded. But it also doesn't matter because that's the main way to become a successful franchise in the NFL. Other than the occasional hit on a free agent or trade, it's drafting and developing your QB. And by the way, talking about a good environment for a rookie QB also applies for a veteran, who can also look better or worse depending on the infrastructure around him. So that's not even totally immune to this argument. You can't avoid the need to hit on a QB in the draft. And if you miss, you try again. Doesn't matter if the last x number didn't work. You just need to try to put them in a better situation than their predecessors. At least the OL is decent, there are at least two high quality receiving options and, hopefully, a high end RB. That's way more than the last guys who flopped here had already
Yeah, everyone knows QBs are important but the league still underrates just how impactful a good young QB is. A good QB is legitimately worth ~3-4x as much as an equivalent player at any other position. Having a good QB on a below-market 5 year rookie contract is an insane value add. There's a strong argument that teams should focus on basically nothing other than QB + supporting cast until they have those positions locked down. The upside is just too big relative to doing anything else.
Very well said. Thats the way always, in the NFL as well as every day life. Try, and try again. To our last day. If you don’t try, you will never improve.
True indeed. If we look at just the last few years, with a couple of QB rich drafts, there have been some great hits and some misses, as it is always. Is by no means a foregone conclusion that the one drafted higher has a better chance. So many variables not necessarily attributable to the QB come into play. But you have to continue trying and stick to your evaluation. It is far and away the most impactful position. If you see the value and talent you strike, but you don’t over reach on someone just because is a QB if you don’t see the upside. As always, is one thing to hit on a great talent, is another thing to know what to do with him, surround him with talent and coach him up to his strength. But that isthe only path to long term success.
Not to rain on your parade but I could sit down, if I thought real hard, and name 100 QB's that didn't come anywhere near the 1st or 2nd rounds that were FANTASTIC! I could start with arguable the GOAT:A and GOAT:B - Tom Brady and Joe Montana and work my way on down. So many people lack imagination that it's ridiculous. Hell, there have even been quite a few UNDRAFTED guys who were VERY GOOD starters. So let's not. Again, you keep talking about all these people yet NONE of them came onto or remained with the NY Jets. You have absolutely GOT to start dealing in reality here. This isn't something that just started with Woody either. Outside of Joe Namath, possibly Todd and Pennington who can you point to that had ANY long term success with this team that was drafted by the team? BTW...go ask Mel Kiper to slot those three, coming out in 2026, against the last 5 year's worth of drafts and tell me where they fall. I'd lay $$ they wouldn't BE IN the 1st round.
Look folks, I KNOW we need a QB. But please stop. PLEASE stop talking like this dude has to come at the top of the 1st round!!!!! All those picks and no fucking imagination! You want a QB in the 1st round, trade back! Be intelligent about this. And, for fucks sake, PLEASE, someone figure out why the rest of the god damn league can figure out how to draft a QB and develop!! At least MOST of the league. Why......WHY can't the NY Jets seem to do this? Could it be that, yet again like clockwork, we have a full blown DEFENSE CENTRIC infrastructure running the fucking show!! Why would we want to burn a high 1st round pick on a fucking guy that has no shot in hell of being anything BECAUSE there is no coaching staff in place that knows a fucking THING about QB's!!!! The last bunch of HC's this organization has hired knows only TWO things about quarterbacks. How to sack them and intercept them. Nothing more or less. They also don't know the FIRST thing about bringing on any type of offensive staff to DEAL with that QB. Why? Because all they fucking know about offense is how to STOP it. NOT FOSTER it! Ok, I'm full on done ranting about QB's forever. Ya'll know my stance and, clearly, I'm in the minority. This shit stain of a franchise will always be a shit stain as long as Johnson is running the show because, like most billionaires, he fucking thinks money equals brains. Well...good luck with that.
It's damn hard to predict from college to pros, and it's also hard to see future potential after poor pro play. Everybody knows the examples. Basically it seems luck is the most important factor. So how should you select? What criteria? Because of the prediction problem, teams go for obvious traits. Athleticism being the most obvious and prominent. Easy to draft based on this. Of course, we all know the many examples of athletic QB who have failed or are failing. Whats next? quality of college competition? Height? Some passing stat accrued during college? Family like manning? There are a thousand eyes on college QB, there are well paid evaluators, there are teams who think they got the GUY they trade away the future for him. And still it seems it's hit or miss. Very few Can't miss don't miss. So I say don't shy away from drafting someone who you think will be competent. Competent is good, in fact great, compared to failure. The Jets should not wait to draft a QB if they think they have a competent guy when its their turn. I might even consider doing a trade if their confidence level is high. The jets need competence. Now a fan might say wait till next year I don't like this crop, etc.etc.etc. But they are just a fan. The coach/gm job depends on success. Prediction is fraught with danger so they can't wait for certainty. It ain't happening except in rare cases. The Jets need a QB.Draft one.
This league is becoming a short passing scheme league, I believe depth of target is the lowest it's ever been. Accurate, tactician, can process quickly with a quick release. Now I'm not a college guy but isn't Mendoza that? Every thing I read says he isn't a special athlete but he has all of those attributes. I know a lot of people don't like him or don't think he's worth a high pick and I will assume you are correct based on my lack of knowledge but this guy seems like he's everything I want.
