3rd Down Defense Too Predictable?

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  1. Fiftynine

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    We should throw Braylon out there and let him blitz. Can you imagine the dance he'd do if he got a sack? :breakdance:
     
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  3. JohnnyJohnson

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    His D relies on at least 1 single coverage, and that's Revis.

    Cromartie looks like a fucking disaster out there, so when you send a shit load of guys you need to know your backs are gonna be able to handle it. Wilson is making a play here and there but still looks confused.

    Wherever Cromartie goes, so does the ball.
     
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    lol, nice

    And that's a great show
     
  5. MikeHoncho

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    Hopefully this problem gets better with Pace and Taylor both rushing from the edge, with Ellis in there as well.
     
  6. Jake

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    As others have said, a lack of passrush is the likely reason for the poor 3rd down performance. The overload blitzing doesn't seem to be getting the same push it was last season, but we have faced two good OLs (BAL, MIA) thus far.

    It shows you what a passrush can do for a secondary. Lowery and Sheppard didn't look this bad at any point last season outside of the AFCCG.
     
  7. jets_fan_in_fishtown

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    it is predictable, with the exception of last week against new england. we stopped them because we didn't overload blitz every single time.

    we used the overload a lot more in the miami and baltimore games...and earlier in the pats game.

    however, the other problem is they're not executing. If the pass rush could get there in time, and the secondary was making plays...it'd be a non issue. That's supposed to be our strength, so the fact we're not doing well with it *is* alarming. but its not surprising without revis. Revis was the foundation for that scheme as he's the only corner you can put an island and know he'll stop the other guy. that's a helluva lot to ask out of your secondary under normal circumstances. You don't see other teams do this because of that very fact.

    with cro, he'll get it done sometimes or make a big play...but he gets burned quite a bit (slips on the turf). pretty sure he leads the league in slipping, but YPS goes to Jason Allen lmao
     
  8. MeanGreene23

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    Calvin Pace and Darrelle Revis will solve this problem. I cant wait to see the Jason Taylor/ Pace combo chasing down quarterbacks.
     
  9. Royal Tee

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    I'll tell you exactly what happened.

    Last year, Teams did not really know how to defend our Blitzes. We came from everywhere.
    In the Playoffs, The COLTS did a good job protecting.
    What they did was go Max protect and had a RB/TE/FB in the backfield who would slide over and help on the extra blitzers.

    This year, you notice more teams using that philosophy.
    The Dolphins did it last week.
    You saw the backs set up on 1 side and quickly shift to the overloaded side.

    That gives the QB that much more time because last year it was all about pressure, this year we are not getting any.
     
  10. Jake

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    There was already film available on RRs scheme from his Baltimore DC days. I think it's more of an execution problem than a schematic problem.
     
  11. DRC™

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    I honestly don't think he would blitz as much if we had a legit pass rusher(s) on 3rd downs.

    Who would be crazy enough to keep rush 7-8 guys when they can get the same or better result rushing 4?

    Now, i'm not saying he would be like Cottrell's defenses. But i think he would blitz a lil less because it would make the defense less predictable
     
  12. jets_fan_in_fishtown

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    i also don't feel like we're disguising our blitzes as well.

    it seems everyone that creeps up on the line ends up coming

    not as much moving around and standing up as i think we saw last year.

    again, it's a whole combination of variables. penalties have factored into that % too, don't forget
     
  13. DRC™

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    A lot of teams did the same thing last year too tho
     
  14. MadBacker Prime

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    It's way too early to worry about anything defense related. We lost Jenkins right off the bat, Revis missed camp and is making his way to 100%, and no Pace.


    Once we're all healthy and up to speed it'll be business as usual.

    Beating a dead horse here, minus our best pass rusher and best player.

    Revis alone will cause sacks, throw in Pace with JT, I say good luck NFL.
     
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    Hopefully by the time Pace returns Rex will have made Drew Coleman a starter as well.
     
  16. MadBacker Prime

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    Lol, great point!!! ^^^^^
     
  17. MikeHoncho

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    A healthy Revis and Pace should fix this problem. At least I hope so.
     
  18. AMJets

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    Lack of a consistent pass rush coupled with miscommunication in the secondary will lead to this. It will improve as time goes on, and our 3rd down defense will finish in the top 10. No need to worry.
     
  19. Miamipuck

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    I am going to go out on a limb and say the next 2 weeks are going to be more telling then the prior 3.

    2 of the 3 teams the Jets played, practice against a Rex Ryan clone defense every day. It really looked like Henne and Flacco were well versed in a Jets type of 3rd blitz scheme. I can't think of one really poor throw by either of them in 2 games.

    In the other game it was Tom Brady. Tom Brady is difficult to stop no matter how good the Defense is.

    I am not making excuses, it is what it is. For a variety of reasons the Jets have sucked ass on 3rd down. I think it is a conglomeration of things....

    1.) No Revis or not a healthy one.
    2.) Familiarity of the QB's
    3.) Poor Execution on Secondary
    4.) Penalties (I think penalties have given the
    an alarming amount of 1st downs alone. Also see #3)
    5.) No organic pass Rush

    In the next 2 weeks the Jets will face the Bills. Their Oline sucks ass and the Vikings where Brett Favre sucks ass. If the 3rd down trend continues, look for the Jets to be in serious trouble.

    However, if the D progresses to the mean, then all the 3rd and longs it has been forcing, will be what they should be, a significant reason for the D's success.

    I am fairly certain Rex and Pettine are aware of this shortcoming and will do everything to fix it........
     
  20. Acad23

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    He needs to get his shit together. He seems to rely too much on his athleticism. He's not physical off the snap to put receivers off their routes/timing. That td he gave away to Welker in wk.2 is a perfect example of bad technique.
     

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