Your assessment of the Jet WRs just again confirms your lack of football knowledge. While Coles is an injury risk, he is talented. You totally miss on Cotchery however. He has been in the top 5 WRs in the NFL in yards after the catch. He has gained 1000 and 1150 yards receiving the past two years on a bad offensive team. With a good OL and a QB with time, he is a top flight WR. Besides, look at Favre's WRs and tell me he didn't make them better and not the other way around. The WR position has been a revolving door in GB for Favre's entire career. Have any GB WRs done anything anywhere else? Do you really think Donald Driver would anything but ordinary away from the Pack?
Favre may give us one good year but is it enough to win a Super Bowl? I'm not sure it is. If it isn't, then it is not a move worth making, as per above posts by JWWS.
I think Favre gives a "better" chance at a SuperBowl...plus, i believe Clemens can learn more from Favre in one year than he could from Pennington in 10 years.
Oh I definitely agree he gives us a better chance, no question about that whatsoever. I'm just wondering if that better chance is worth the investment we'd have to make to get him for that better chance for just one season. If the Jets intended to use him to mentor Clemens I think it'd make it that much more worth it, but then again I have to wonder if by making that move that says that Clemens will never be the guy and then that is not really a benefit at all.
If all the FA moves work out and we stay relatively injury free, I believe having Favre would absolutely give us a shot at the title. We wouldn't be favorites, but we'd have a shot. If it were a sure thing that Clemens was starting I might agree that we should stick with our young QB and let him grow, but as of right now he's competing with Pennington for the starting job. If Pennington wins that competition and we had a shot to get Favre but passed, I'd be pretty upset.
I guess part of me just believes that the whole QB competition is a coaching tactic to light a fire under Clemens ass, since last year was not exactly a confidence builder. I really consider Pennington to be a non-factor in all this. I see what you mean though. And in that case, the Jets CS should already have a pretty good idea how the "competition" is going to pan out and what the short term / long term ramifications of making such a move would be. If Clemens can't get it done, then I'm all for Favre. If Clemens can get it done, then stick with the young guy and let him grow.
Funny stuff lick Chad and like the idea of a backup that can't challenge Chad. Favre is a washed up over the hill QB but with a mediocre line a bad NFL running attack the Packers were one of the top scoring teams in the NFL. As washed up as Favre is he is still one of the more talented QB's in the league. When was the last time Chad threw for 28 TD's (never) or had close to a 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio with at least 20 TD's? (never), that's what Favre did at 37 years old looking like a guy in his mid 40's last year. I don't want Favre because I think he will help us about as much as bringing in an over the hill Ronnie Lott helped us or an over the Hill Art Monk, not much. The Jets need to see what we have in Clemens now unless they really feel Clemens has no future as an NFL starter?
I think a one year deal..two year tops would suffice if we managed to land Favre.....he is defenitly NOT the long term answer. If Clemens served as his backup for a year or two...i think he could blossom into a serviceable QB for us down the line.
I disagree on this one. Farve is a doer, a gunslinger, and not always a good decision maker. That doesn't necessarily translate into a great teacher. Cerebral Penny on the other hand, is perfect for the job. If he just gave up the ghost and concentrated on mentoring, the team would be better off.
Well Pennington isn't exactly always a good decision maker either, but I think I get your point. I'm also not sure I agree with it. Personally I'd rather have a QB with a gunslinger mentality than a "try not to make a mistake" mentality.
hahahahahahahah.... This is 2008. Farve did it last year. Chad is still living on 9 wins 6 years ago. And by the way, how did 2002 end up for us? Chad got embarrased in Oakland and has never been the same.
Please don't let Pennington teach Clemens how to be a pussy QB. Keep Captain Checkdown as far from Clemens as possible.
No..the Moose has a point...Chad Pennington does have a great QB mind (unfortunetly, very little physical talent to go with it), and he could be a good mentor to Clemens when it comes to the football awareness needed by a QB to succeed at this level. But...that's only one aspect. Favre can teach Clemens the passion and physical necessities of what it takes to win...and he brings oodles of playoff experience. There is an argument for both sides of this. KC can defenitly learn something from both QB's.
As far as on the field...yeah...Burt is a no-brainer, but for a teacher...I'll take Penny. The things that make Burt a good QB are not really things that can be taught. -He-man arm -badass attitude -improvisation On the flip side, the things that make Penny a bad QB are also things that aren't taught. -noodle arm -choir boy -deer in headlights While the things that make Burt a bad QB are things that can be learned. -forcing the ball -bad decisions -trying to do too much And Penny's good traits are also things I want my young QB to learn. -game planning -protecting the ball -smart decisions What it really comes down to is that you can't teach attitude, but you can teach x's and o's, and I think Penny has Burt beat in that department.
I'm actually interested to see how Aaron Rodgers does in his first season as the starter...this will be the litmus test regarding what he's learned from Favre over the last couple of seasons. I think Rodgers' play should reflect to some extent how effective Favre was as a mentor.....
fair enough The only thing I'll credit Penny for out of those is protecting the ball. We have no idea what each QB does in terms of "game planning". As far as smart decisions, I really think penny is extremely over rated with his decision making ability. He makes bitch decisions a lot of the time when he should be taking some chances.
I don't think Penny's in-game decisions are the best, just not as bad as Burt's. No other QB would have lasted as long doing what Burt does in this league without his Golden Arm. A defensive coach like Mangini, IMO, would rather a mortal-armed QB have Penny's mentality with the ball than Burt's. I also think a lot of Penny's bad decisions of late have come from overestimating his own physical abilities rather than bad football decisions.
Since posters are debating whether or not Clemens could learn from Favre, let's consider some of Favre's backups through the years. (I'll only note younger QBs, not guys like Jim McMahon or Steve Bono.) Ty Detmer Mark Brunell Doug Pederson Matt Hasselbeck Aaron Brooks Also, Kurt Warner was with the Packers in training camp one summer.
