I appreciate true greatness rather than just stat guys. if he was a Met you'd probably have a tatoo of him on your ass.
I thought Kaz matsui was the best SS in NY? We'll see what happens when Reyes sees real pressure in october.
Hitting in "big spots" vs. the Phillies, Marlins, Nats and Rockies when his team is 50 games in front is a little different than october pressure.
No it isn't that is Yankee bullshit. If you preform with 2 outs well, you preform well under pressure.
Jeter = .847 OPS regular season .842 OPS postseason ARod = .962 OPS regular season .927 OPS postseason However since Jeter eats his lunch and ARod only gets hits when his team is up by 10 runs this doesn't matter. At least if you're a Yankee fan
So basically even though you've been proven wrong with tangible statistics over and over again, you're right because the way you see it, Jeter is better even thought the stats prove otherwise? In other words, what you choose to remember is all that matters? Hell, if that's how things work I guess the Cowboys won the Super Bowl last year because my eyes saw some pretty good play from them. Who cares about the records or results, my eyes saw otherwise.
And if you are the perfect mix of black and white and ate your lunch you are definitely more clutch then anyone on the planet.
Amazingly ARod hit a homer with no score tonight. Unfortunately, he did follow it up with a 1 out DP.
Jeter leads all shortstops in the major leagues in batting average for one. Kudos to A-Rod for having another great game tonight. Hopefully he can put it all together longterm going into the postseason. And as for this whole business with Rodriguez supposedly being a better postseason player than Jeter, using OPS as a measuring stick isn't a fair comparison between the two hitters. Of course A-Rod is going to have a higher OPS, he's a power hitter--his slugging % is always going to dwarf Jeter's. Judging how good of a player they are by OPS alone is like if I said "Jeter must be a better postseason hitter than Rodriguez, he has more hits in the playoffs." You can't make a fair judgement there.
I meant leads the league. Not by position.:lol: Reyes leads MLB in SB and Triples. Beltran knocked him to #2 in Runs but he was leading, and should retake the lead shortly.
Jeter is third in the league (MLB, not just AL) in average. He's fourth in the league in hits, seventh in OBP, fifth in stolen base % (Reyes ranks 18th,) 30th in OPS (not too bad considering how many actual power hitters sit above him. Reyes ranks 62nd.) No, Jeter does not lead the league in any stat, but that's not really a fair argument. His overall numbers are very impressive. That's not to say Reyes' aren't. He is a very talented ballplayer, and I applaud the Mets for recognizing that enough to lock him in for the next few years. In all fairness Shade, you called Reyes the best SS in baseball. DRob countered by saying he would pull out the stats. One would assume he meant stats showing that Reyes is not the best shortstop in baseball. He didn't even imply that Jeter was better than Reyes, just that Reyes is not the best SS in the game. As far as stolen bases, yes, Reyes is leading the league with an astounding number of stolen bases, but he is also third in the league getting caught. Jeter ranks 16th and 99th respectively. On the subject of triples, it's almost a meaningless stat. Surely more meaningless than average. Triples are soley a speed stat. There is no question Reyes is fast. You'll never see Ortiz lead the league in triples, does that mean Reyes is a better hitter than Ortiz? How about fielding? Reyes is just above Jeter in % among ML SS. They have the same number of games, same number of starts, but Reyes has about 40 more innings. Jeter has had 8 more total chances with 18 more put outs. Jeter has 18 more attempts, with one more error, and 8 more DPs. Jeter trails Reyes by 2 percentage points, with a range factor of 4.10 to Reyes' 3.91, while Reyes' zone factor is about 20 points higher than Jeter's. They are both very comparable players, though they are still totally different. Arguing one against the other is a losing battle. It's too subjective. Obviously, the guy you watch every day is more important to their team than the other. If you look objectively though, they are both just as valuable to their team. Does Jeter deserve the MVP? Maybe, maybe not. Does Reyes? Maybe, maybe not. If you go soley on bats, and how those bats affected their team's success, the four guys I would say should be in the running are Ortiz/Beltran, and Giambi/Pujols, in that order. I don't just credit bats myself. I count the hitting, along with fielding, and the resulting affect on the player's team's final standing. That's the way I feel the system is designed to work anyway. That's why I believe the voting system is very good. While it is flawed, at least by having a nation of sports journalists, who watch a lot of film on numerous players over the course of a season, you get a generally fair vote. There will always be debate on who should or shouldn't win, but the same goes for any electoral process. Anyway, wasn't this a conversation about ARod?
