I doubt it. Your homerism is quite obvious, though. Baseball fans in general, not just the ones at the stadium. What does he owe baseball fans?
Again, you just distort the argument made, and it goes on and on in a circle. Once more: Reasons Jeter should not have boarded a flight to Arizona to get boo'ed: 1. Had a horrible first half, and was underservedly voted in. 2. Is aging, and coming off a recent DL stint. 3. His resting fits into the NYY plans as Girardi wants to sit him occasionally. 4. Someone more deserving gets to play. 5. NYY fans voted him in, and would most likely appreciate contribution to meaningful games. He isn't "disrespecting" anyone. 6. He'd just get boo'ed. Your reason that Jeter should have attended: 1. It's his responsibility to make an appearance in Arizona for the fans, mostly in the Tri-State area, who voted him in [undeservedly]. It ain't hard. He only did what's best for his team and therefore its fans, the ones who voted him in.
Deserve's got nothing to do with it. He played on Sunday and was not currently on the DL. Therefore, he was healthy enough to play on Tuesday. However, he could have asked out of playing but still be at the game. Deserve's got nothing to do with it. I highly doubt it was only Yankees fans who voted for him. He would have? I actually think he would have been cheered especially since he just eclipsed the 3,000 hit mark.
Yeah, yeah. Keep hating on Jeter for using his fuckin mellon. It's like talking to a wall... He only did what's best for his team and therefore its fans, the one's who voted him in.
I have not distorted anything. Actually, it's you who have been distorting, by continually reciting why Jeter shouldn't have to play, which does not address anything I typed here. Completely irrelevant. If you're voted in, you're voted in. Who cares how well you played? Also irrelevant, unless aging and coming off a DL stint means making an appearance in Arizona is too much for his body. Also irrelevant, as every single player in the game could have made the argument (I'll rest now to help out my team). I highly doubt Jeter cares about that, and for the 100th time, I never said he should be forced to play. Of course he is. Speculation, and probably irrelevant. So fans voted him in, and obviously wanted to see him there. Your logic is flawed. "fuckin' mellon" ...
Who is this in response to- me? That would be silly because there is no hating on him here. I don't like the decision that was made by him. As for this idea that only Yankees fans voted for him- how do you know that? Did you personally look at all the ballots or something? Maybe you collected them at Yankee Stadium or know somebody who did. That doesn't explain all the online votes though.
Clearly we have differing opinions on what All-Star games mean. You think Jeter owes it baseball fans in general to make an appearance at the game? Why? Non-Yankee fans don't like to see Jeter succeed. Would you have voted Jeter into the ASG this year? He represents his team and its fans. He made the right decision.
The Yankees have a large fan base. Why would any significant amount of non-Yankee fans vote Jeter in this year with the kind of season he's having? Non-Yankee fans are probably happy to see less of Jeter after all the media hoopla around the 3K hit.
I believe that players voted into the ASG should at the very least make an appearance at the game if they are not on the DL or have some sort of family emergency that would prevent them from attending the game. I would not have voted Jeter as an All Star starter this year. His team on Tuesday night was the American League. He did not represent his team.
All Star Games are a thank you to fans of the game. That's why they let fans choose who starts, whether it's a 37 year old who's past his prime, or a rising young star. If it were just about having whatever players having the best season play, they wouldn't have a fan vote. Game is for the fans. Fans voted him in. Not going without a good reason is basically telling the fans of baseball to fuck off, and regardless of what you think, every player owes the fans, including Jeter. No, and I fail to see how that's relevant either, unless you're suggesting I should become the sole arbiter of the ASG vote. I often disagree with All Star Game selections. I'm just one fan. I don't decide who goes and who doesn't go. I put in some votes and each year, something like 40-50% of my ballot doesn't win the vote. Or maybe you think every player that wins the vote should decide whether he's "deserving" or not, and if he doesn't think he's deserving, he should stay home? That just makes no sense.
Who was he up against this year? Asdrubal Cabrera? He's a relative no-name. The casual baseball fan is not voting for some non-superstar from Cleveland over an iconic Yankee player.
A significant amount of non-Yankee fans did vote for Jeter, as can be seen by a simple examination of the vote totals. If Jeter was just getting votes from ballot-stuffing Yankee fans, then the Yankees would've had more starters voted into the game. Jeter and A-Rod get a tremendous amount of votes from non-Yankee fans, as they always have. Many of the people voting, even aside from fan allegiance, are not voting based on which players are playing the best that season.
I can't be here all night, gentlemen, but: to me, Jeter doesn't owe it to anyone to tip his cap in front of a camera. EDIT: I guess fans who put more emphasis on team allegiance view this differently than those who root for individual players (most of the time, I forget they exist).
Only 1 of the 7 7-game WS's had a road team win a game 6.(1997) Of course any 4 or 5 game series are moot since the team that wins won at least twice on the road. 6 game series requires at least 1 win on the road. Home team's win percentage 4-game series - 50% 5-game series - 40-60% 6-game series - 33-67% 7-game series - 0-100% So 80% of the time the home team won the World Series in the past 25 years. Nothing is going to change that fact. I mean there are so many factors that goes into determining winners which could give the reason why the home team wins: weather variations throughout the game physical/mental condition of the players/coaches/manager field condition gravitational forces and so on. You can throw out anything you want to make it look like HFA is moot but it still doesn't disprove the fact that 20 out of 25 teams with HFA won the WS.
I think that has more to do with the team with HFA is generally the better team, than them playing at home.
True before this home field determined by the All-Star game stuff, they just alternated it between the leagues. Shown by the 1995-1996 World Series both hosted and won by the team with the worst record.
again, sample size renders this almost meaningless. yeah, you see, here's the issue. I'm not trying to "change that fact." I'm just trying to get people to stop applying improper significance to that fact. If I told you that I had flipped a coin in sets of seven, and had performed ten sets, and that 80% of the time there were more heads than tails, should you assume I'm dealing with a weighted coin? Or does that fall within expected variance given the sample size? The answer is the latter. So you don't make any sweeping conclusions about the coin based on a handful of sets, and you don't make conclusions about HFA based on a handful of series. Might there be something to it? Of course. But the facts you've thrown out there aren't particularly convincing.
Or you just stop nerding out and realize that no matter how many quadratic equations you throw at it, home field advantage is an advantage, and worth having. Even if it's only a mental boost, players want it. Binders might not, but players do. And until Robotron3000 is the starting pitcher, it's going to matter how players feel.
I've already said it was an advantage. About 4% of an advantage over random chance. I also never said it wasn't worth having... only that those, yes, stats that were listed above don't prove the point. I know you like to disparage statistical analysis. In my opinion, judging from your posts talking about this, it's because you don't have a very good grasp on how to break it down... so you resort to calling it nerding out and like to pretend that it's somehow removing the human element, which it's not. I say that not to insult your intelligence, it's just that the things I'm talking about here aren't really disputable. I'm not saying it because it's an opinion. Those stats provided aren't very telling of anything. How the players feel is included in those stats that were provided. Look, here's the thing. You can't half-ass it. You use stats all the time, when you feel it serves your purpose. And that's great. But if you're going to use them, you should know what they mean. If you use them improperly, you're going to draw incorrect conclusions. I'm semi-convinced the improper use of stats explains a lot of the disdain you (and others) seem to hold for them. Stats are not the end all be all and they can't tell you everything, but they serve a purpose. They're a tool. And like any tool, if you use it improperly, it's pretty much worthless.
