Maybe you could say that for last years team, when we had a far better recieving corp and a massively more dominant offensive line. This years Jets, I really dont think youd see a big step up over Sanchez with most qbs, unless you went with like some of the more elite qbs.
I understand what you are saying buy stats do not lie and Orton is an upgrade to Mark plain and simple.... You can flame me all you want but its the freakin truth at this point....and the reason he was replaced had more to do with the fan base than anything else...
Schotty calls that play at least 5 times a game, and pretty much every 3rd and 5. Did you not pay attention to last year at all? I specifically remember Sanchez avoiding sacks and making some amazing throws to save some games. Houston? I'm sorry we don't have Big Ben I guess since that sounds like the only way you'd be appeased. And I'm sure that Sanchez would like more than 3 seconds to make his reads before he's on his ass...Eli Manning stares down his receivers more than Sanchez does and people are all over his ass when the Giants win a game, pathetic. And you think Orton is the answer? The guy who got benched for Tim Tebow? And I didn't know that 3 pick six's this year was once a game? Do I have to bring back up the stat that Rivers and Stafford were tied with Sanchez for most in the league? And that Joe Namath, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre lead that stat all time? (P.S. Sanchez is tied with Brady, Ryan, and Stafford for 10th in the league in picks.) HAH, This keeps getting more hilarious as I get further into it. Chad Henne, Rex Grossman, Curtis Painter, Kevin Kolb, Colt McCoy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Blaine Gabbert, John Skelton, John Beck, Tyler Palko, Luke McCown, and Matt Moore all say hello. McElroy? God, you do know he is just a not-as-good version of Pennington right? Is that what you Sanchez haters want, miss the good ole southern boy who can't throw a football more than 30 yards? Get it through your head, Orton is shit, he could barely win with the Bears and he had a sub .500 winning record with the Broncos. He'd be a decent backup, but this isn't even an issue because........We wouldn't get him anyway on the waiver wire! Just say no.
as far as waiver order goes, we are ahead of houston and chicago, but behind washington and KC. miami is also but i dont think they are gonna toss a claim in on him. I saw some junk on twitter, not mentioning who (bc you should be able to guess and we dont use that name around here), saying that the jets are talking about putting in a claim and so is washington. we already know that chicago is putting one in. I mean i dont see why we dont. NOT TO START, but just to light a fire under sanchez. make him work a little harder (not that i question his work ethic, as all reports show that he is a first one in, last one out-type of guy), and take more charge of whats going on. and worse comes to worse, he is leaps and bounds better than brunell at this point.
Its a shame that he is probably going to the Bears. The Jets could really use him. But this story, like every other story about the QB position keeps begging the question - why the hell is Mark Brunell the back-up qb of the Jets? Sanchez cant grasp the concept of dont look down wr's, and he is supposed to be learning about life and football from a guy who is broke after making millions of dollars in the NFL and has not been a viable NFL qb in years?
^^^QFT You people have to get over the Sanchez hate. As another poster said - "STATS DON'T LIE" So what you are telling me is that Sanchez has improved a lot this year. How is that possible? Try injecting logic once in a while. Sanchez overall numbers (stats don't lie) are better than last year and the talent level around him on the offense is markedly diminished. So Year 3 Sanchez on 2009/2010 Jets (or even 2009/2010 OLine) = even better stats. Or can you not see that the talent around him is diminished? Or that the play calling fucking Sucks Hairy Balls? Just curious...
Sanchez needs a better backup QB to PUSH him! Brunell is a great teacher, but I don't want him in the game. Brunell needs to be the number 3. HOWEVER, 650,000 a week x 6 weeks left is a LOT to pay for a backup. He's accurate and can throw the ball across the yard... he just hasn't been winning recently. That being said, the Jags have taken a lot of players off waivers. The Chiefs Matt Cassel is hurting. And the Seahawks could use him too. They all have claims before the Jets, who have claims before the Texans and Bears. Oh yeah, don't forget Dan Snyder.
I think people are going a little overboard saying "Orton Sucks", because the guy has shown he can be a good QB in this league, denver just sucked ballz and his poor play in the beginning of the season was magnified by the fan outcry for Tebow. At this point in the season I would say theres less than a 1% chance the Jets put in a claim for Orton, and the sole reason is salary. If you havent noticed Tanny has been keeping that extra 8 mil we have up his sleeve because under the new CBA it creates alot more free money for next year. Also I do believe Sanchez has progressed, but the loss of Braylon has seriously hurt his game, as well as the shitty Oline play. I was listening to Steve Young and Jerry Rice talk about how Sanchez is actually AHEAD of the curve for this point in his career. People seem to forget that the correct way to groom a Quarterback is to have him sit and learn for a few years (ahemm A. Rodgers). But in recent years QB's such as RYAN, FLACCO, STAFFORD, NEWTON, and SANCHEZ have all come out the gate starting right away and have shown they can HANDLE the game. But its stupid to think theyre are no long term effects of these decisions, and hiccups along the way have to be expected. At this point in his career Sanchez can honestly go both ways. If the Oline doesnt get their shit together I fear he will turn into the second coming of David Carr (a guy who for 7 years people thought he was gonna take the next step, but was blindsided one to many times and lost all pocket prescence). Or he can continue to improve and a few years down the road become a force at QB in this league. Not many people seem to mention that some of the ALL TIME GREATS were dismal at best over theyre first few seasons, and sometimes even longer. FAVRE (almost benched for brunnell in GB), ELWAY (50% passer over his first few years), AIKMAN (Looked like he wasnt gonna hack it). You can also take a look at a current starter of our NY counterparts Eli Manning, Manning was brought along towards the end of his rookie year, but up until this year he really has lacked consistency. He got a pass by the fans/media because his cinderella story had a happy ending (SB WIN). If we can have the patience to let Sanchez develop (6-7 seasons total) I truly believe we will have a great QB for years to come, but given the nature of our franchize and our fan base I highly doubt Mark is given 3 more seasons if he doesnt show a dramatic transformation overnight.
Posters here who say Orton sucks either don't know much about him or don't know much about football, or both. And while we can all agree that the OL is not up to its level last year, the Sanchez defenders here are really overstating the decline. Yeah it was pretty bad with Baxter in there for Mangold, but Nick is nearer to 100%, Moore is playing better with Mangold's return, and Slauson, one of my usual whipping boys, actually had a good game against Denver. Ferguson is not having a Pro Bowl year, but he's still an above average LT. That leaves Hunter, who looks bad too often and who I would say right now could be the team's weakest starter, but he's not as awful as many here say.
Its not a question of defending Sanchez. Its simply a fact that the OL has been shaky at best all season. I think they have been playing like pansies. All of them. Hunter obviously has been subpar, but this line is not firing on all cylinders. Its simple - Sanchez is not going to be successful behind a crappy line. Very basic and very true. So either this OL comes together and starts kicking some butt or this team is going nowhere. Sanchez has played poorly in large part because his OL has played poorly.
Yeah defending Sanchez by ripping Orton and the comparative talent is misguided. Denver has much worse talent at every position than we do. Their O-line is worse, RBs, WRs, TE. The simple fact is that they are QBs at a similar level. Sanchez is the better choice for us at this point, but for a team with nothing invested Orton could well be a better choice objectively.
Leads the NFL in pick 6s, leads or is top 3 in overall turnovers, bottom 3-4 in completion %, and 19 or 20 in QBR. Lay the crack pipe down buddy. Sanchez is awful. It doesnt take much to improve the slightest bit when youre already as horrible as he is. But yeah, keep blaming everything on everything else and give this golden boy a free pass like always when he is probably one of the most overpaid players in the NFL right now....
Maybe he just played poorly because he is not that good possibly? He was god awful when the line was good the last 2 years. On a similar note, Wayne Hunter is probably the worst OT in the NFL. Ive never seen an OLineman get blown up 2x in one year like Hunter has (1st Dallas and now Denver).
Sanchez was god awful last year? Remind us to never take you seriously again. Nobody's giving him a free pass. He needs to get better. But the belief from some posters that he needs to be replaced now is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be treated as such.
....6-7 years? Yeah, if he can be average/above average but not with what we've seen this year and the previous 2. Its not about transformation overnight either. This is his third freaking year and he still hasn't improved in the areas that he struggled in during year 1. I cant see Mark being here more than 1 more year if he doesnt improve.
Im not saying im on board with it. Im just saying that were starting to see some of the effects of starting him right away. If he was able to sit and learn I really think the game would have slowed down for him already. The truth of the matter is that Sanchez has made strides its just easier to say he sucks based upon his stats. If you havent noticed he only started to get back to his shitty antics once the offense line was fucked. Once he starts getting pressured and hit for a few games he starts staring down his recievers, and only looking for his #1 and not going through his progressions. Im not defending his antics because they piss me off, but if you look at how any of the GREAT QBs lose, its because they are getting hit constantly, and if a superbowl mvp like Brady loses his shit when he gets knocked around....how do you expect sanchez to hold up?
A 75 rating and 54 completion % is good? Thats bottom of the league numbers. Oh, 90% of the people are giving him a free pass and blaming everything on everyone BUT him.
This is the internet, there is no room here for a bit below average, or mediocre. All things must be great or terrible.
